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Rank: Jimmy Hat Jester

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Ok, I got GTAIV working but it sucks. In case you didn't know, I've been on a laptop ever since I graduated college (needed it for work). It's been a year and a half now and I'm thinking it's time I get a dedicated desktop for home and make my laptop dedicated for work use. That said what would be some good options? Here are a couple bullet points to consider: - I do have a desktop back in California that I built in college but it's long been out of date by now. Although I could build my own again, I don't have the time to update myself on what's hot at the moment nor the will to tinker for hours on end debugging, perfecting a water cooling system, etc.
- I want to run GTAIV on the highest settings, as well as future games
- Budget:
- Sub $3k shipped, but would prefer around lower 2k
- Must include monitor, mouse, keyboard
- Do not want/need an enormous monitor, I have my flatscreen TV to plug into for movies and stuff
So what would you guys recommend? I put together a quick solution.
- [1] Area-51® X58
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-920 2.66 GHz 8MB Cache Alienware P2 Chassis: Alienware® P2 Chassis with AlienIce™ 3.0 Video Cooling - Saucer Silver System Lighting: Alienware® Standard System Lighting - Astral Blue System Cooling: Alienware® Standard System Cooling Power Supply: Alienware® 750 Watt Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply Graphics Processor: Single 2GB GDDR5 ATI® Radeon® HD 4870 X2 – Dual GPU Technology PC GAMER Editors' Choice Award Winner! Memory: 3GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 3 x 1024MB Motherboard: Alienware® Approved Intel® X-58 Motherboard- Socket 1366 Core i7 Ready, Dual Triple Channel DDR3 Memory Operating System (Office software not included): Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium (64-bit Edition) with Service Pack 1 System Drive: Single Drive Configuration - 300GB Velociraptor SATA 3.0Gb/s 10,000RPM 16MB Cache Optical Drives : Single Drive Configuration - 20X Dual-Layer Burner (DVD±RW) Enthusiast Essentials: Dual High Performance Gigabit Ethernet Ports Sound Card: High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio Security Software: Norton Internet Security™ 2008 Additional Monitors: 22" Samsung 2253BW – 1680 x 1050 (2ms) Widescreen Flat Panel Keyboard: Standard Keyboard - Standard Keyboard Mouse: Standard Mouse - Standard Optical 3-Button Mouse with Scroll Wheel
get your ass to mars
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Do you know how to build PCs? I've built my father's desktop rig with pretty recent hardware and it was way less expensive than some of the preassembled things you find retail. One thing I've been told though is that when you buy alienware, you're paying for the brand and not the hardware. You might want to listen to others here for other options as I haven't used alienware myself. {pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name Jessica343: so I can get heals {pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea {pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl) Jessica343: hahah
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Bike wrote:Do you know how to build PCs? Someone didn't read the post. Seriously though man up and just find some time to look around newegg to find out what's hot. It's not going to take that long.
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Rank: Fuckstick

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I've gotten computers from Gateway, Dell, and had them custom built locally but I've never been more satisfied than with my Alienware Aurora -- now almost 5 years old with daily use and only one failure which was easily recovered from. NO hardware problems during the last 5 years. I would usually have to replace or upgrade rigs from other sources within 3-4 years. The initial investment is higher but because I've been able to use it longer, I'm ahead cost-wise. Also, newer games run well on this 5 year old rig and if you're a gamer, you know that the gaming software will often outpace your hardware long before 5 years of use. Finally, their support is good. When I've had minor issues come up, I can actually talk to someone who knows what they're doing and has helped me solve the issue quickly. I recently ordered an M17 notebook from them for use with my multimedia teaching job. I've never ordered two rigs from any other source before because of the problems I had with other companies. "I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smells like ... victory"
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It would be cheaper to build it yourself by far. When you ever buy a brand name computer you always pay for the name some are worse than others. What i would suggest it take that list and go to newegg.com and find all the parst minus the case and see what it comse to just find another case and get a copy of windows and see if it is less. You can only do ati for duel cards until nivida lets intel use its rights on the chips and what not. As far as know its still going on. If you see me on steam friends hit me up and i can help you out more if you need it. WDF?: I found a hot girl WDF?: Who lets me WDF?: Drink WDF?: Smoke WDF?: And play video games WDF?: ALL DAY shignog: and in the back door? WDF?: She's back door compatible WDF?: And it comes enabled by default WDF?: I need to teach sirus a lesson WDF?: Oh wait WDF?: That's called gay shignog: if there is a girl there its bi WDF?: lol WDF?: ok shignog: so its not so gay WDF?: Good enough

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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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shignog wrote:It would be cheaper to build it yourself by far. When you ever buy a brand name computer you always pay for the name some are worse than others. What i would suggest it take that list and go to newegg.com and find all the parst minus the case and see what it comse to just find another case and get a copy of windows and see if it is less. You can only do ati for duel cards until nivida lets intel use its rights on the chips and what not. As far as know its still going on. If you see me on steam friends hit me up and i can help you out more if you need it.
Its not FAR cheaper. But its cheaper. I re-created Muffman's Alienware rig using pricewatch and newegg. I got it for about $2600 bucks. I could get it cheaper but I left room in the component budget for quality shit because I know alienware puts good parts in. OH but i did increase the memory to 6 gigs (two 3 gig kits of triple channel memory 1066). I did this having a 400 buck motherboard budget (good shit), $300 budget for monitor, $175 budget for case and lighting, $150 PSU budget, $75 buck keyboard mouse (maybe a lil cheap there). so you would have to personally reseach and pick out what parts you wanted in those catagories...but the budgets allow for pretty high end gear. All the other parts he mentioned where specific enough to get exact pricing. I included the software OS package in my figures. So basically I am saying..you can get a slightly better rig if you build it yourself..for about 200 bucks cheaper. But you would lose alienware tech support....but who really fucking cares about that? :) Quote:
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Rank: Jimmy Hat Jester

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First off, you guys are awesome. This is just the kind of advice I need. Giller, thanks for the complete breakdown. It's a given that a name brand computer would cost more, but I'm surprised it's by so little. From what you're saying, its a small compromise in performance and just a couple hundred more to have a system built for me w/ a warranty and customer support.. get your ass to mars
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keep away from the i7s... for now. the CPUs great, but the motherboards are a pointless investment. LGA1366 is designed for servers, and frankly isn't fully finished , the current generation are just a stop gap while they release the next bath of mainstream CPUS on LGA-1156. Now i ain't no expert so rather than elaborate i'll quote a guy from another forum i frequent: Quote:The actual next-gen CPUs are based on the i7 core, but are not LGA1366. Intel has not released any mainstream i7 chips, and won't for probably another 5 months if its still holding to its tick-tock schedule. Nehalem is a server chip, and its long-term fate is subject to endless conjecture as LGA1366 is a stop-gap measure - Intel haven't yet finished finessing the new memory interconnect yet (its supposed to go thru DMI, not the MCH). Think of Bloomfield as this year's Skulltrail - designed for twin high-end Xeons and 24/7 enterprise use but capable of taking a couple of QX9775 as part of an obscene ultra-high-end performance PC that is anything but mainstream. Now substitute "SkullTrail" for Bloomfield, "LGA771" for LGA1366, "twin Xeons" for i7-920/940 and "twin QX9775" for i7-965. See any analogies forming here? Gamers trying to use cheap LGA771 Xeons for Skulltrail to bring down the price were considered barking mad, and gamers trying to use i7-920 on boards that cost more than a mid-high-end CPU are barking IMHO too  Okay, you're all mixing stuff up. The new mainstream platform is probably only 5 months off in its 45nm incarnation. This will use the Ibex Peak "not-a-northbridge" and DMI bus in place of the MCH for communications, running DDR3 in dual-channel rather than triple-channel and helping cut the CPU package pin count and possibly removing some bits of the QuickPath that sounded like it was gearing up for inter-CPU communications (in other words it sounds like only LGA1366 is gearing up for multi-CPU boards - no big surprise given its the server/enterprise platform) Obviously the mainstream platform is completely incompatible with the server-based LGA1366 (Bloomfield) which has always been the norm for Intel. These LGA1160 desktop chips are codenamed Havendale (dual-core) and Lynnfield (quad) and the rPGA989 portable chips are rumored to be Auburndale (dual-core) and Clarksfield (quads for laptops!). All of the above will have twice as many logical cores as physical cores thanks to HyperThreading. I don't know if Intel will license SLi for these, and will probably keep it down to 2-way SLi/CF for these mainstream offerings, forcing ultra-performance gamers to blow obscene amounts on the server platform  To (over)simplify, Westmere is a blanket term covering all the upcoming 32nm CPUs based on a Corei7 die-shrink. LGA1366 Westies (server chips) are probably 11 months away, and mainstream Westies are 17 months off (if Intel keeps to its own schedule). It is also believed that 6-core LGA1160 and 6- and 8-core LGA1366 will become the new high-end following the die shrink (although it is possible Intel will try to sneak in a "field prototype" 6-core chip before the die shrink, like what they did with the good ol' Q6600) And so... back to RealistSpy: You sold that other PC huh? Start kicking yourself right about now  Sorry... you should have waited until Lynnfeld hit the shops - simply because it might have been a much better price/performance option and/or have dragged Bloomfield prices down a bit. Maybe. Unless you can magic up a cheap gaming PC to tide yourself over you're gonna be stuck blowing a couple of grand on an early i7 build  in short; if you really wanna quad-core wait for LGA - 1156. GTAIV is still the only game that has a significant performance improvement when run on a quad core. it will be another year or so for the rest of the industry follow suit imo. far better to stick with LGA-775 for now, get a E8400 and overclock it to keep you ticking over for a year or so, and then save up the pennies for the upgrade to the iCores when LGA1156 comes out (and the prices have been driven down), and now, onto the graphics card. a 4870X2 is complete overkill for that monitor, you're not going anywhere near the resolution to make use of it. frankly, you'd get much better bang for your buck if you just got a 4850. yeah, i'm a cranky 'oul fucker. deal with it.
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