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#1 Posted: : Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:57:37 PM
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better take up booze or porn, seems parents are more concerned about what games you play instead

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this topic header sounds sooooooo bad
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What age kids are we talking about here?
When you say "sleepover" I think < 12, in which case many would have no interest in porn. I can't imagine weed and alcohol being a major "omgdo!" for kids that young, either. There's a much higher likelihood that kids that young would be playing video games, so parents saying that makes sense.

Now if you're talking teenagers.. alcohol, drugs, and sex are on the table. Forget about porn... who watches porn with friends? Kinda creepy. You need worry about the sneaky co-ed sleepovers once they're teens.

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If parents can't follow ESRB raitings then they fail as parents. Ive made a huge post about this on another forum about how parents are the ones to blame for their lack of participation with what their child is buying / what they are buying for their child. Its their responsability to know what something contains before you expose it to your kids.

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Splinter wrote:
If parents can't follow ESRB raitings then they fail as parents. Ive made a huge post about this on another forum about how parents are the ones to blame for their lack of participation with what their child is buying / what they are buying for their child. Its their responsability to know what something contains before you expose it to your kids.


Well, problem with sleepovers is that parents are relying on the responsibility of other parents. Then it also goes into the realm of:
- Is that parent watching what they're doing the entire time?
- Would that parent recognize GTA (or other problematic game) if they saw it?
- Did they buy it for the kid who's playing it, or for an older sibling?
- Did someone -else- at the sleepover bring it?

And kids can be pretty smart. My mother use to take my power cord from my computer to ground me when I was little. I just had another one hidden that I'd hook up the moment she left the house. Parents are certainly the ones who have to be responsible, but you also can't expect them to catch everything.

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Rikaelus wrote:
Splinter wrote:
If parents can't follow ESRB raitings then they fail as parents. Ive made a huge post about this on another forum about how parents are the ones to blame for their lack of participation with what their child is buying / what they are buying for their child. Its their responsability to know what something contains before you expose it to your kids.


Well, problem with sleepovers is that parents are relying on the responsibility of other parents. Then it also goes into the realm of:
- Is that parent watching what they're doing the entire time?
- Would that parent recognize GTA (or other problematic game) if they saw it?
- Did they buy it for the kid who's playing it, or for an older sibling?
- Did someone -else- at the sleepover bring it?

And kids can be pretty smart. My mother use to take my power cord from my computer to ground me when I was little. I just had another one hidden that I'd hook up the moment she left the house. Parents are certainly the ones who have to be responsible, but you also can't expect them to catch everything.

Yeah, but even behavior like stashing an extra power cord is something you could teach a child not to do. The key is figuring out whether the child sneaks in extra game time in the after hours as a result of being a mischievous child, or as a result of having an unhealthy addiction.

Many parents either lack the ability to tell the difference, or just plain won't admit that there is a problem.

I got my start with gory games at the age of seven, jumping at any opportunity to pull out my fists in Doom II, because I liked the way that imps would sometimes explode when you hit them. I can't say that I've ever gotten into a physical fight with anyone but my little brother, and I frown upon carrying a gun or even a knife, unless going camping. If video games could turn a child violent, then I should have participated in at least two school shootings by now.
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MarioMario wrote:
I got my start with gory games at the age of seven, jumping at any opportunity to pull out my fists in Doom II, because I liked the way that imps would sometimes explode when you hit them. I can't say that I've ever gotten into a physical fight with anyone but my little brother, and I frown upon carrying a gun or even a knife, unless going camping. If video games could turn a child violent, then I should have participated in at least two school shootings by now.


Well, I'm old enough that Doom 2 wasn't an option at the age of 7, but I certainly had violent games within the bounds of my "childhood", and I've only ever been in one fist fight - that someone else started due to a misunderstanding. But then I've always been a goody goody... never really fought, never did drugs, etc. I certainly had the opportunities for such things, just no desire. My parents must have done something right.

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Among my first memories is sitting on my father's lap, playing DooM with him. "I open the door and daddy shoots the guy." I grew up around shooters. Hell, my grandfather was the one who introduced me to Half-Life. Despite the raw amount of violence I've been exposed to in video games and media, I am not a violent person.

Violent games don't make violent people. Violent environments make violent people.

Also, I can relate to Rik with the clever-child stories. When Halo 2 came out, and my parents thought I played it too much, they put my xbox, my tv, and all the cords in the storage space. And every night, I would sneak into the storage, hook everything up, and play there. Extra power cords, extra mice, extra keyboards, system restore discs so that I could restore my computer if my dad changed my password on it. Shit was on.

The argument of violent video games making people violent is as old as it's supporters, and will die with them. This is the cutting edge of graphics technology. This is where the new stories are being told. This is where the future is. The sooner that's culturally understood, the better off the industry, and the public, will be.
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Gunslinger wrote:
any youngins on the forums

Chris Hansen should be by pretty soon, I bet.

 

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I just think parents are more worried about what's in games these days because we've gone past the point where the worst we can see is a yellow circle eating a coloured blob.

When i asked my mum if she could buy me GTA 3 she did her nut even though i was religiously watching Die Hard films from the age of 8. Parents probs find games harder to monitor than films, cos the parent cant play em before the kid does.


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