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ErkDog | ECAN CIO: weird, nominate nor rtv seem to work on T1
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Weird
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: yeah and 42 min left on ctf_turbine :(
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: what map you want?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: hmmmmm
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: let em ask everyone
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: well onlye Razor said he can maybe change
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: and other person said to elave it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: perhaps you could pull up the console though and load the rtv/nominate module?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: yeah nobody really wants to change, but rtv would be nice ;)
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I'll look into it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: the mod is loaded.... cause timeleft works
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: just not rtv/nominate
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I think it's disabled if there is an admin present
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: o_O
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: really?
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Yep
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Admins can manage servers
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: well yeah
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: RTV is for when no admin is present
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but half of pDs' admins won't change map even if ppl suggest it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: it should still work :(
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: They can put up votes though
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: hmm ok I'll tell razor
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Admins are there to helpy uo
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: If you have a request, they are supposed to hear it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: gotcha
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but the admin-mod can auto-hear it ;)
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: If they give you problems, you can complain
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: lol see, I just told razor in global chat but he no response
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: rtv = auto-response ;)
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: It's set up this way on purpose
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: another player or two just asked for a map vote too
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: If you don't like it, we've got a forum for these kinds of discussions
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but razor isn't doing it
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: He doesn't have to
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but rtv doesn't have to work unless majority type rtv :-/
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: o_0
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I know this
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I know how my server works
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I mean half the admins don't pay attention half the time, no offense
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but they don't pay attention to text chat
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Then bring that shit up on the boards. Encourage discussion on policies
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I'm not going to change the way we're doing stuff right now just because you asked me to
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: *sigh* OK, well since I can't RTV and the admin here won't listen, is there something you can do? join the server, msg razor, etc?
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I'll ask him what's up.
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: He can always just not want to change the map
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: yeah but just cause an admin is here doesn't mean that majoirty shoudln't be able to RTV,.espedcially if the admin doesn't notice the global chat on server
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: everyone is complaining about turbine
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Take it up with the community. You're the only one who's ever voiced this complaint to me
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: like 6+  people
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: probably because nobody else ever noticed it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: most of your servers are 24/7
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Good
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Then you should bring that up
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I will
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: And start a discussion on it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but in the interim, several people on this server have asked for a map vote
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: can you tell razor to do one, or come do one?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: heck he may not even be admin
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: can you rcon status this server and see who is on?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: razor isn't even here any more
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: and rtv/nominate still don't work
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Razer is an admin
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: yes, but he is no longer on this server... and rtv/nominate do not work
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Then I'll look into fixing it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: OK
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: do you mind if I post this buffer regardless, to encourage discussion regarding admin > rtv/nominate policy?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: and it was on turbine - before - Razor connected
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: yep
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: ok cool
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: so many people are complaining, can you come do a map vote?
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I would if I wasn't working
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: But I'm busy right now, ask one of the other admins
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: urgh
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: is snob admin?
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: If they are an admin of the wdfnews.com group they are an admin
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: urgh
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Dude I'm a little busy right now. You need to handle this one on your own
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: well I wouldn't have to 'handle' it if it wasn't for that boarderline senseless policy, misconfigburation, and inability to easily view a steam group and match it to people online while playing a game on one of the servers
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but ttyl
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Here's what I do know. When you started this discussion the server had 14 players. Now it has 21.
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: here's what I know, it would be on a diff map right now if rtv worked, and the only reason half the players are on this server is because I invited them and they are my personal friends
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: are you on console?
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: No
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: cause if so, you'd see yet -another- person complaining about ctf_turbine, lol
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: 29 players
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: yeh like I said , about 6 of them are bearing through it because I invited them
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: ErkDog | ECAN CIO :  ok, so whoever is an admin, can complain about Metallic having pDs in his name, but not listen to the 907349 ppl asking for
ErkDog | ECAN CIO :  a map vote?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO :  who is the damn admin?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: Console: "I heard you. I can't do map votes from console."
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Considering my admins use hlsw, there's no way for them to start votes via hlsw
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: ErkDog | ECAN CIO :  ohh, so someone can monitor console, and bitch about Metallic's name, but can't listen to the pepole complaining about the map?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: then they could get on the server, and initiate one
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: isn't that why they are admins, and have those privelideges/responsibilityies?
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I'm watching the chat now
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Have been for about 10 mins
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: So far I've heard two people complain about the map, one of which was you
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: about 6 people did it before I mentioned it to you, that rtv wasn't working
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I said I'd look into rtv
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: We updated sourcemod, so maybe it broke
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but if there is no admin on, RTV should work, right... but if it doesn't work, it is likely related to either SM update, or your admin > rtv setting change, either way, if one broke the other it deserves discussion
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I won't chew up more of your time right now, I'll post on board though
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Yeah
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: thanks for your time :-D
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Which is why I said post it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: yeppers will do
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: kbuz just said
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: that RTV hasn't worked for over a week
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: but if he's an admin
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: it would trigger your new conditions
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: which could possibly break it indeifnitely
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I updated sourcemod a week ago
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: So that is the issue
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: well, why would K_Buz not know why RTV no work, because if he was admin, it would never work, because he is admin which disables it
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: and if everyone knows it hasn't worked for a week, why wouldn't you have known that it was an SM related issue?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: whatever, something is awry regardless, and on top of that I would liike to discuss/question that policy, so I will just post our buffer :-/
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: No one's mentioned it to me
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: so like at least one, most likely most of, -your- admins knew RTV was broken, and none of them bothered to mention it to you, or post about it or anything?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: *looool*
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The buffer explains it all.

{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: You're quite irritating.
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: ?.?
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I'm glad you're getting a kick from the fact that I'm unaware of broken plugins. However, I have a life outside of video game land. I can't stay on top of this stuff. If people don't bring it to my attention I can't fix it.
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I understand that
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: my point was, that none of them even made a basic effort (simply posting it on the forum) to notify you that it was broken
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I wasn't implying that you should be polling your admins every day to see if something was amiss
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: it was instead to point out, that these admins, didn't even bother posting, e-mailing, or otherwise mentiong it to you by other methods, that RTV was not working as it should
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I'm sorry if you misconstrued my comments
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: What I mean was, that over a week had passed, and none of the dozens of admins, could mention to you via forums, or otherwise that something was not working right
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Admins don't use rtv
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I see admins type RTV on a regular basis
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: because RTV is a fair democratic system for changint he map
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: Well, that's foolish
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: They can initiate it via admin commands
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: how is it foolish? admins shoudln't just arbitrarily call map votes because a few people want ot change
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: if everyone wants to change, then they type RTV
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I think -you- would call a map vote if you wanted to change maps, but your rules and guidelines for admins, rather state, that they shoudln't arbitrarily do anything, and the only way to ensure everyone wnats to change map, is for RTV to do its thing
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I've only seen an admin call a map vote like twice, and it was when there was about half the server that wanted to change map, but not enough to trigger RTV
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: and the admin themselves typed RTV to kick in a vote
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I don't play tf2
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: Well, then why would you arbitrarily make policy decisions to have Admins trump RTV when you don't understand the climate and decisions taking place on the servers?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: did you ask your personell if they wanted their presense to trump RTV before you ddi it?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: or did you just like, do it?
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: I mean either way they are your servers
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: You're right
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I've never played in my servers
{pDs} WhutDuFuK?: I have no idea what I'm doing
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: well I know you know how to admin servers, but clearly you have made poilcy changes without consulting your compatriots that you entrust to administer your servers in your stead
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: so most of them don't even know that their presense would even break RTV
ErkDog | ECAN CIO: and even if they didn't know that, none of them bothered to tell you......

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Erk is the little kid and Whut is the Anthro Tiger.  (See you are a furry after all!)



You know why most admin's don't put up map votes often Erk?  Because 1 or 2 people having problems (As is almost ALWAYS the case) does not mean the whole server wants it changed. 

If you and your friends have problems....switch to another server and come back on map change instead of asking for something which obviously wasn't going to happen.