Bush Asking For $700 Billion Bailout Options
endyss
#1 Posted: : Monday, September 22, 2008 11:35:53 AM
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Struggling to stave off financial catastrophe, the Bush administration on Friday laid out a radical bailout plan with a jawdropping price tag -- a takeover of a half-trillion dollars or more in worthless mortgages and other bad debt held by tottering institutions.

Relieved investors sent stocks soaring on Wall Street and around the globe. The Dow-Jones industrials average rose 368 points after surging 410 points the day before on rumors the federal action was afoot.

A grim-faced President Bush acknowledged risks to taxpayers in what would be the most sweeping government intervention to rescue failing financial institutions since the Great Depression. But he declared, "The risk of not acting would be far higher."

Combine that with the ~$600 billion in commitments already made to Bear Sterns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and others, and this [what I would call] unconstitutional divestment of property from American taxpayers will end up costing far more than the Iraq war.  Even more disturbing to me is that now even international banks are under consideration for this latest round of bailouts!

Gosh, whoever wins the election might have no choice but to raise all Americans' taxes to cover all these "too big to fail" institutions.  I wonder how many of those companies' management and investors that are having their asses saved by this action fall into "the top 1%"...

I don't care what anyone thinks of me here, but please don't ever lump me in with this president or his outrageous policies.



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HolyJaw
#2 Posted: : Monday, September 22, 2008 2:31:40 PM
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Look, man, we gotta save the money. And who better to save money than more money?
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Be careful what you wish for... I have 10 younger siblings and I am only 20....

Yes.... Same parents


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meh...maybe if he hadn't been handed a burning house he could have done great things, but right now he has won the Prize for what? Damage Control?
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#3 Posted: : Monday, September 22, 2008 2:40:10 PM
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I wonder if Republicans think a socialist state would be better than this or not...
I mean.. at least then money is going to individuals and not to big companies that will turn around and pay their executives far more than they deserve and their workers far less than they deserve.

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#4 Posted: : Monday, September 22, 2008 2:48:56 PM
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Not that I can speak as a typical Republican, but both are equally distasteful to me.  For me, each one has its fatal flaw.  Big bailouts of banks and corporations is just propping up wealthy companies that deserve to suffer for their mistakes, but the argument can be made that if they all collapse it will financially hurt the little guy as well.  Socialism / entitlement spending has the perk of using money to actually help people with their lives, but it doesn't accrue anything but a false charitable feeling to the people supplying the majority of tax revenue.  Note to the people that say we should be helping people because [suffering is bad] [it's the right thing to do], I absolutely support giving help to people in need, but real charity comes from the individual to the person in need (or an organization they choose to do it), not government-extracted money they can then hand out as they see fit (whether to the poor man or bank executive).

As is often pointed out by Ron Paul (blessed be his name), the real tragedy of our current political system is that we have two candidates of the major parties essentially in agreement about what to do in this, and plenty of other, situations.  Where are the political voices condemning these bailouts, and where can citizens opposed to them cast their vote meaningfully?


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Rikaelus
#5 Posted: : Monday, September 22, 2008 3:28:41 PM
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Well, step one would be to abolish the Electoral College and allow people to directly vote for the president. Not only would that better fulfill democracy and be more accurate, but people who vote for smaller parties could at least see their votes at the end. I doubt it helps their confidence in voting third parties when their voices seem silenced before even leaving their state. Hell I feel that voting Democrat in a Republican state.

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#6 Posted: : Monday, September 22, 2008 3:37:31 PM
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Rikaelus wrote:
Well, step one would be to abolish the Electoral College and allow people to directly vote for the president. Not only would that better fulfill democracy and be more accurate, but people who vote for smaller parties could at least see their votes at the end. I doubt it helps their confidence in voting third parties when their voices seem silenced before even leaving their state. Hell I feel that voting Democrat in a Republican state.

I agree on the fairness issue, and I'm not sure how to rebalance it to work better.  My concern is that under a purely popular vote, candidates would be able to cater to the needs of certain parts of the country, earmarks and subsidies for California and New York and other city centers, while people in rural areas would still be controlled by it (and without the votes to do anything about it).  Like I said, I'm really not sure how you abolish the electoral college without addressing those concerns, but on a philosophical level I'm right with ya.


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