The endless RED wins on Badwater and Goldrush stem more from map design and server settings than from teamwork. Not to say that poor teamwork definitely makes it more difficult to win, but the maps were designed so that with even teams of 12 players each (not 16!) the offense should be able to win provided they maintain a cohesive strategy.

Really, though, with uncoordinated teams, just a few players can turn the tides, as it were. The obvious argument against class limits is simply that of griefing, or, to put it nicely, poor players. If RED (and BLU, but that's irrelevant) is limited to 3 engineers and those engineers aren't being too useful, RED is going to be in pretty bad shape.

With 32 players, the offense has to actively try to win, especially on payload maps, which puts the cause of the main probably for stagnant play in the hands of players. A coordinated, balanced team on any public server is going to kick the other team's asses from one 2fort balcony to the other and back every round. Since the maps were designed for fewer players, I think that class limits might have some merit, but only to the degree of a 4-man limit per class, because you should hate the players, not the game: the burden of winning ultimately rests on the soulders of the attacking team, not any possible fault in the game.

whenever you constantly die by one class you hate it.
so call out to limit whatever you die by the most

Lol and the other team has 2 medics with ubers ready to rape the heavy or demoman + you. Even better...? you guys can stay FAR away and charge up hell even stay inside your spawn, we'll have a uber ready for you infront of your spawn door kay?

In ANY map, you can't lose position or take time to get into position meaning you can't spend 40 seconds before reaching enemy line, you have to work fast and progress fast before the other team has a chance to regroup and rebuild.

Why do I wait till the last second to uber you? cause I don't want to waste 3 seconds of it walking, I want you to have the FULL uber to fight.

Why rush the middle point when we can build uber at point 2 and then push?



No, the server just get ridiculous with 14 pyros 8 heavies 4 snipers and 6 engis



Lol, play another class then, it's pub, learn it or watch "How to play (Class)" videos on youtube and yes it helps if it's GOOD. You even said it yourself, " feel like being whatever class" so you should have no problem playing some other class.

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Seriously, it's IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ALL 15 PLAYERS TO FOLLOW WHAT YOUR SAYING. If you can manage to coordinate a bunch of random people that don't like to listen to people, or don't care for your plan, or don't even have the volume up, I congratulate you, you manage to get 15 pigeons to stop shitting on the streets and coordinated some sort of flight plan as a group.

Like I said, part of me really wants them, but I think increasing respawn times on defense might be a better first step to even out the servers.

I know one day I will feel like sniping and my team will be maxed out on snipers, and they will all suck.  Or demo, or any other class.

I'm all for class limits. I'm getting tired of the pyro spam. A good pyro is a sight to behold but for the most part pyro's are controlled by scrubs that just want to rack up kills. Its really only demo pyro, sniper and engi that should be limited. The others are fine.

However I would be willing to compromise with defense respawn limits.

I didn't mean to post this to make class limit haters mad, I just did it as a suggestion to make games a little more balanced as opposed to capping the first point (sometimes) and then resigning to a massive stalemate the rest of the time, dooming everyone to play stage 1 of maps for all eternity.  I see great potential for slightly increasing the respawn time for defense, maybe go from 5 sec to 10 sec, but either way people will still come to the servers. :D