Good stuff, you know it's not like one or two people make a community, you need to look at the whole and realize that a great core of people are still around and while everyone is busy and has lives, they still want to be part of this community. This group of players is just as fun to be around and talented as when I first started playing here :D

First, let me say that this "CMS issue" has only been brought up on WDFnews.com. Nothing has been said over on our forums, not even in our members section. However, I know some bad things have been said about us in your private forum, so please do not act like we are the instigators in this matter. Secondly, I would like to point out that delta is not a member of our clan. I would also love for you to tell me who has been saying a bad thing about pDs in CMS. Those of you that regular our server, or use to when Temp was down, know that we hold pDs with a lot of respect. I know myself, and many other CMS and GEM regulars enjoy when pDs stops by our servers. To name a few: Drakhen, Razor, Mr. 12, Muff, Phoenix, Duck, Granimal, 3bam, war, McCheese, the crawdads, Klules, rumour, mystique, frostbite, and a handful of others are always a blast to have on our server. Some of the best moments in TF2 have been with the pDs group, whether in our server, or not.

I don't understand this "they aren't fond of us" business. It is certainly news to me. As a matter of fact, I'm sure a lot of CMS that don't read your boards have no idea there is an issue going on. I am not one to point fingers, but I can't see how this was started by us, or even encouraged by us. I think the group of pDs that knows us, doesn't think we dislike them. If they do, please message me, I will do my best to clear it up. As far as I could tell last night, when pDs was chillin with us in our server, there wasn't an issue at all. To me, this issue has been made up, there isn't one.

I don't know why you are so hung up on the competition issue. If you go back and read the reason sabian left, you would see it is not for competition. He even replied to you, saying that was not the reason. I know you guys had issues with people leaving in the past, because there wasn't any competition and they were rude about, so you guys seem to look down on clans that compete. However, please don't assume that we are douche bags because of it. I know people have joined CMS not only because of competition, but because we are just a fun group to play with. There is nothing on our boards saying you have to compete, or that we are a competition clan.

If anybody from CMS has been trash talking pDs, please, message Noobina or myself on steam, or pm us on this, or our forum. I would doubt it though, I know our group pretty well, I would be shocked if something bad was being said.

To everyone, I am sorry this issue has been made up, but like before, and always, pDs is always welcome in our servers, and we always enjoy hanging out with you guys. There has never been an issue with the people that we play with, or the ones that come play with us. You guys are a fun group. Please message me if you think there is bad blood between us, I will be fast to clear that up.

I've never had any problems with CMS guys. They're pretty damn fun to play with (and when I move in a few days I want to invite them to drunken TF2). However, I think if its just a few random people, mainly ex pDS players, let's keep it to that level. I don't think there is a reason to generalize a whole community because one or two people decided to be jerks. Defiance and Noobina surely have never caused problems and I don't recall ever that their members have either. I hate to say, but this just seems blown out of proportion. CMS, I look forward to playing with you guys some more in the future.

Thanks bike, did you play with us yesterday? I wasn't sure it was you cuz you didn't have that avatar of a guy pushing his tits together...lol

I am with you, brother.

However, You can all apply for [GwDR] by personally messaging me.

Even you, Ducktor.

Ducktor [GwDR] - See how fucking good that looks?! Then ppl really have a reason to hate you. :)

I think there is some misunderstanding here.. I'm going to attempt to clarify something and hope it makes everything better.

I posted a joke thread in the private forums saying CMS was hired by Monstervince* and Brad Burns** to sabotage pDs. I think I made it pretty obvious that it was a joke but then again a lot of people tend to take what I say seriously so that might be what caused the serious conversation about the merits and pitfalls of both of our clans. I came back the next day and there was 3 pages of people talking about CMS (admittedly I didn't really read all of it). However I got that the general feeling among members is that we dig CMS but we are sad that a couple of our more awesome members (kbuz and luap) left to join you guys.

I'm not aware of any real beef between CMS and pDs, I personally think all of the CMS members I can name (Noobina, defiance.. shit that shows how good my memory is) are really cool people although they seem more serious about the game than I like to be.

I call into question whether or not Delta was actually talking about us when he said internet society of douchebags.. I found the post you were talking about whut, and he doesn't explicitly state that he was talking about us. He may have just been talking about other clans, of which there are many, that are composed primarily of 13y.o. boys. We met Delta at PenguinLan '08 and he was a homie. I talk to him infrequently and he expressed interest in coming to PLan '09 and, I will now contradict myself from earlier and spill the beans, he told me that it was bestesthwguy and "others" that drove him to stop playing on our servers.

Anyways, unless I'm missing something hugely obvious, this whole post should be forgotten and we can go back to being "associates" as it were.



History lesson:

*Huge douchebag who quit pDs and formed a clan of douchebags within the website and servers, of which I was briefly a member before they got their own website and servers

**Another huge douchebag who ran a sheisty computer business and scammed people out of money. When he was exposed by another website and, if I recall correctly, Sirus, he was banned and started incessantly calling whut and sirus revealing his decaying mental state.

You'd be surprised at how un-serious we are when it comes to just our public servers.

I just want to make this point clear, and I'm sure Noobina does to. We never recruited any1 away from pDs, we would never do that. I don't understand a lot of things that OP said, or where they are coming from. I know you guys have had bad experiences with people that compete, but you shouldn't judge our whole clan, just because a small group of us like to compete. Also, you shouldn't judge any of us for competing, unless you have some evidence of us being douche bags because of that.

I would like to thank every1 that said nice things about us in this thread. If you don't have something nice to say, please, say it, and we can clear that up for you, thanks.



I would contest that this is 100% false. Everyone I have talked pDs or CMS, there is no beef, there is no disliking, the topic hasn't even been brought up on our forums.