Raw vs. JPEG Options
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#1 Posted: : Friday, December 25, 2009 10:02:14 PM
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This is somewhat directed towards Cecilsan, a sometimes frequenter of these forums and longtime photography enthusiast.

Do you have any thoughts on shooting in a RAW/DNG format vs. JPEG? I understand obviously that any compression necessarily introduces artifacts, but at 4x the size of their compressed counterparts, I don't know that RAW images look THAT much better.

Is this an mp3 vs. uncompressed audio thing, in that the majority of unenlightened folks can't really tell much difference, or is there some real, serious advantage to the RAW format? As far as I can tell, it's just giving me larger file sizes and a pickier image format (can't preview in Windows Explorer, had to update some stuff on my Photoshop just to open, etc.).


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#2 Posted: : Friday, December 25, 2009 10:35:30 PM
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RAW format is an uncompressed image format. It carries MUCH greater flexibility and larger dynamic range when it comes down to post processing. So basically, if you over or underexpose a picture, you can fix it much better in RAW format than you can in JPG format. Professionals shoot RAW always. I shoot RAW always. However, it does have a larger file size. If you do photo editing other than cropping then RAW works better. If you just do snapshots and want to save space and only print like 4x6 sizes, JPG is fine.

If you, in the future, decide to shoot RAW, I recommend Lightroom. It's a good program that has RAW editing and automatically imports pictures from your memory card. It's also very fast and light - not like Photoshop. It's more like an elite windows picture viewer with photo editing capabilities.
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#3 Posted: : Friday, December 25, 2009 11:00:45 PM
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Bike wrote:
RAW format is an uncompressed image format. It carries MUCH greater flexibility and larger dynamic range when it comes down to post processing. So basically, if you over or underexpose a picture, you can fix it much better in RAW format than you can in JPG format. Professionals shoot RAW always. I shoot RAW always. However, it does have a larger file size. If you do photo editing other than cropping then RAW works better. If you just do snapshots and want to save space and only print like 4x6 sizes, JPG is fine.


Agreed. However, I don't always shoot in RAW format just because its so uncompressed. I can't take rapid pictures with my camera when set on RAW, because it takes so long for the image to save. It really boils down to personal preference and level of nitpickyness. If you save high quality JPEG's, you'll get by. Unless you have someone completely anal about finding errors in your pictures...no one is going to notice.

However, when editing pictures you never want to compress between saves. Save in RAW or TIFF or something other than JPEG.

If you're printing your pictures, it mostly boils down to the megapixels of the camera. Once you start printing at 300dpi, any corruption of detail is fairly well hidden.

Thats just in my experience though. In the end, its pretty close to the .mp3 / uncompressed audio stuff.
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#4 Posted: : Friday, December 25, 2009 11:32:17 PM
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It pretty much comes down to this: if you are going to be doing post processing or printing it on a large medium, like a billboard, use RAW, otherwise jpeg.
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#5 Posted: : Friday, December 25, 2009 11:50:05 PM
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It seems to me to be something I would switch TO generally, rather than something I just leave on.

While I like flexibility, and sheer storage space isn't an issue for me, there are definitely times I want to take a "significant" picture like a family portrait or a tourist location I may never see again, and then RAW might be perfect. But if I'm taking slightly inebriated pictures of my friends at their Christmas party tomorrow, a high quality JPG should work.

Am I straying from anyone's advice generally there?


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#6 Posted: : Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:16:26 AM
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Sorry Endyss, but I'm not going to be too much help here since I only shoot film and have never messed with RAW. But doing some research, this is what I've come up w/.

Like mentioned above, RAW vs another format is situational, depending on what your doing or what you want will determine which is better.

RAW biggest advantage is flexibility post processing.

RAW is exactly what it sounds like, raw data from the sensor. So this allows you to get an image free from visible compression artifacts from the camera, although depending on how its saved post processing (e.g. jpg) you'll get some compression anyway. This allows you to correct any mistakes made in the field taking the picture, although my thoughts are if you did it right the first time you wouldn't need all the post processing, but that's just me.

RAW has some disadvantages though

- Large file size
It takes longer for the camera to record and fills more space on both the camera/computer, although the latter is much less of a problem

- Always requires some sort of post processing
RAW files require you conduct some degree of post processing to convert your image to an editable file type for editing, printing and/or online display.

- Non standardized format
Requires specific software to open which most people have (e.g. Photoshop) but not everyone. So there is a possibility of sending the file to someone that can't open it. From what I've read it seems each camera as saves RAW slightly different than another, although I'm not sure how true that is.

- Archival
Much like any file format, there is a possibility that future software wouldn't be able to open older files due to version differences. This isn't so much of an issue immediately, but could be many many years down the line.

Ultimately some of RAW's disadvantages can be solved in one way or another, both the third and fouth problems can be solved by saving to a more popular format after post processing, like TIFF. You'd be able to fix whatever you were trying to fix and have an image that is usable by more programs

So from what I see the only thing you need to think about when deciding RAW vs JPG would be how much flexibility you want for post processing, how much time you want to put into the photo, and how quickly are you wanting/needing to take pictures.

An example would be if you're taking a portrait or a still shot, RAW might be a better option as you have plenty of time for the camera to process the image. As opposed to if you were needing to taking action shots that required multiple shots in a short time, JPG might be a better option

Unfortunately everyone has their preferences so you're not going to find a definitive answer. I prefer my darkroom ;)
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