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Rank: Not Cool Enough for a Rank :(

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ok so played a bit tonight for the first time in a long time and i noticed that there are only 2 maps in the map cycle. AND THEY ARE THE SAME MAP!!! this was very annoying after like the thrid round and people started leaving. i had no choice but to change the map, but of course it always changes back. is there a reason why pedistal is the only map on the server map cycle? that map is fine if less then 8 people are playing, but once we get more then that, it gets kinda rediculous because its so small with a lack of weapons.
if this is the way its going to be, let me know and i will stop my compile on hl2ctf_shipping_b1 so i can have my desktop back. no reason for me to be wasting my computers and time if i don't need to.
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Joined: 6/16/2006 Posts: 1,301 Points: 1,263
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Yeah, like I was saying earlier, it says "PEDESTAL" on the server name, so I wasn't sure if that was intentional - but it sure as hell needs to be changed.{pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name Jessica343: so I can get heals {pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea {pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl) Jessica343: hahah
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Rank: Jimmy Hat Jester

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Joined: 5/9/2006 Posts: 1,164 Points: 0 Location: Dani California
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....Are you kidding? The whole reason I PLAY pedestal is to get a game with more than 8 people. That map is crazy awesome when it's packed, it's so fun to tear the shit out of people with a pistol when they're chasing you around trying to take you down with an OICW.
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Joined: 5/9/2006 Posts: 1,730 Points: 5 Location: in your dreams
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This pedistal thing was Whuts idea but I will say that I sure the hell SUPPORT it.. Until this happened this server was just never seeing anything like crowds over 8 people.. pull the figures and you will find that play is up.. The old two fort just isnt cutting it anymore..
However I will say this.. There is an issue with the cap limit and the ability to vote into different maps.. Once one team hits the cap limit the game stops right then and there and the vote never runs so it goes right into pedistal again. I love pedistal but I agree that the game can get so crazy fast that it gets tiring after two or three goes at it. Whut and I talked about either raising the cap limit to allow a better chance for the game to run out and voting to run or the other option was to move voting earlier into the game. He thought about removing the cap but I didnt like the idea because a runaway game can get to be a grind to have it chug on for a full 30 mins. So the overall idea is to run pedistal the most often since it is the most popular map but to give people a chance to vote into something else if they get tired of it. When I played yesterday there was still the issue of the getting the vote to run and that is what is causing people to get stuck in the pedistal cycle. This will get worked out once Whut returns I am sure.
I appreciate the work you do Illenta.. but the future is going to end up eventually with maps designed for ctf from the get go.
Once Known as Grumpy... Oh hell lets face it... I have and will always be Grumpy
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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GrumpyOldMan wrote:
This pedistal thing was Whuts idea but I will say that I sure the hell SUPPORT it.. Until this happened this server was just never seeing anything like crowds over 8 people.. pull the figures and you will find that play is up.. The old two fort just isnt cutting it anymore..
However I will say this.. There is an issue with the cap limit and the ability to vote into different maps.. Once one team hits the cap limit the game stops right then and there and the vote never runs so it goes right into pedistal again. I love pedistal but I agree that the game can get so crazy fast that it gets tiring after two or three goes at it. Whut and I talked about either raising the cap limit to allow a better chance for the game to run out and voting to run or the other option was to move voting earlier into the game. He thought about removing the cap but I didnt like the idea because a runaway game can get to be a grind to have it chug on for a full 30 mins. So the overall idea is to run pedistal the most often since it is the most popular map but to give people a chance to vote into something else if they get tired of it. When I played yesterday there was still the issue of the getting the vote to run and that is what is causing people to get stuck in the pedistal cycle. This will get worked out once Whut returns I am sure.
I appreciate the work you do Illenta.. but the future is going to end up eventually with maps designed for ctf from the get go.
I've been climbing in the server every few hours, and until tonight, it's been pretty dang empty - even with pedestal. The thing with that map is, the cap limit should be removed since it is so tiny. I don't really like the idea of having that map circulating until a vote is called, there is tons of new CTF maps that are popular; it's also pretty horrible if llenta barely has time to play at all because of the maps he's trying to switch over so we can play them.
What needs to be done is for the server name to be changed, taking of the huge "PEDESTAL" placement. If we're still encouraging voting into different maps, its not exactly pedestal all the time.{pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name Jessica343: so I can get heals {pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea {pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl) Jessica343: hahah
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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The pedistal thing is rather new.. the first time I saw it was yesterday..
Have faith my friend.. Pedistal will not bring a crowd all by itself.. That is still up to us. It just gives us a chance to attract people to the server while we are there. There are not that many people who are attracted to the tired of graphics of 2fort. The voting thing will be worked out cause we all agree people need a way out of pedistal once the time comes. The cap is 20 compared to the 8 cap limit on fight club so I dont know if I think it is too small. It does get reached in most every game though so we were thinking of moving it to 30. I dont know if Whut did that before he left though. I think moving voting to the 3/4 point would be better than where its at now so that people will get a chance to vote on a new game before the cap is reached. I think enabling votemap would be a good idea too.
The voting brings me to another point. Is there anyway to change the voting scheme to what I have seen on other server? In other servers a tranparent voting list automatically drops down on the side of the screen. This makes it obvious to anyone what needs to be done rather than us having to scream at them to press their esc keys. You just get a list of about 8 or 9 options that drop down on the side of the screen. You punch one and you are done.
WELL.. Nevermind then.. rockthevote does work.. tired of pedistal do that then Once Known as Grumpy... Oh hell lets face it... I have and will always be Grumpy
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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There are many new maps that popular. Not just pedestal. The best bet for getting more, new people is variety, not the same map. I've seen the pedestal for the past two days, and jsut a while ago when I played on there people dropped like flys when we played the map again.
I'm not trying to sound hardheaded or anything, but even without our old maps, there is tons more that isn't being played.{pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name Jessica343: so I can get heals {pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea {pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl) Jessica343: hahah
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Rock the vote baby!
how does the sequence work anyway? I never used it and I did not pay attention on how they got it triggered tonight.. I think it starts with "nominate"?
Once Known as Grumpy... Oh hell lets face it... I have and will always be Grumpy
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Rank: Not Cool Enough for a Rank :(

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its true there are more people playing the server now then when it first opened, but after the third time playing pedistal, people started leaveing saying "this level again". whut can put whatever maps he wan't on this server because he is the one shelling out his own $$$ for it. what i'm mearly saying is that if he asks me to port all these maps for him, it would be nice to be notified by anybody if he isn't going to use them that way i can use my time better like makeing a new one from scratch. (kinda annoying to find out htis way)
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Rank: You're gonna stick that where?

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I wanna say that I like the server, but, as a semi-regular, the pedastel thing is a bit....annoying. I like the map as much as anyone else, but really, once you go 20+ flasg on that level and its grassy couterpart, it's just stupid. CTF loses it's purpose that way. We were forced to rockthevote last night, and as soon as we hit the cap limit we were back. In fact, I remember one round where people were just hopping around trying to go as fast as possible because it bored them so much. I have to say the map....is fun....but we need more. I think we need all the maps in the cycle, but a vote that actually works too. I know it says [24/7 Pedastel] but if people played everyday on that server, they'd understand the frustration other people get. [20:39] {pDs} t3h Cam3l: hey craig, how do i set up a private server? [20:40] {pDs} t3h Cam3l: i want to teach my gf how to play and the crypt was empty but its starting to fill [20:40] Òá»Î·Ä¢ ÄÅĵÏÅ
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Shit..
I am really beginning to understand why all the whiney crybaby shit pisses Whut off so much..
There was a reason this was done people. Whut did not just get some hair up his ass and decide that he wants people to play pedistal ever other game or so just cause he gets off on it. The reason was the old cycle was just not working. Hence Whut's populate the server posts.posts.
The plan is to use pedistals pace and popularity to attract people to the server. I agree and I am sure he will to that people do get tired of this map after a round or two. I told him this myself right before he left. The way for them to get out of the cycle is by the vote. I have agreed and I am sure again that he will too that this process needs to be smoothed out some. Lets just let him get off the boat first before we throw a rebellion why dont we?
As more and more people become aware of the server and get the tomb added to their favorites list then more maps can be rotated regularly. There are already a couple of very popular maps that we have talked about but he does not have them and I cannot find links for yet.
So anyway lets give it a chance. It was Whuts idea to bring people to this server and I sure as hell like it. There was noone playing before and now it doesnt seem too hard to find a game of 8+ people in the evening the last couple of days. There are some things that still need to be smoothed out I agree but this will have to wait til Whut returns.
Illenta.. None has ever said your maps will not be used. In fact when I found out Rockthevote was working people used it to vote in your version of 2fort. So there some <3 for you.
Oh yes.. THe cap limnit should be getting raised as I said before to ensure the game lasts a little longer than they do now. So the non pedistal games will go longer was well.
Edit: there were 10 people on the server as I wrote this. I never saw that under the old cycle especially at this time of day.
Once Known as Grumpy... Oh hell lets face it... I have and will always be Grumpy
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Rank: Polio Power!

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how about having it run for 20 minutes instead of 30. that would allow more votes to happen while maintaining its all-pedestal-ness. also, doesn't rockthevote work? persuade some people to vote and its all good right?
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Gnar wrote:how about having it run for 20 minutes instead of 30. that would allow more votes to happen while maintaining its all-pedestal-ness. also, doesn't rockthevote work? persuade some people to vote and its all good right?
Now that is another doable idea too in my opinion. Rock the vote does work but I am gonna push the Whuterful on for a refinment in the mani-mod voting scheme. I think I mentioned it before about the vote thing that drops down right to the side of the screen with all the voting choices right there in front of the player. Everything is numbered so you just punch a number and back to normal.. I think that should fix the voting system so everyone will know what to do. I have been trying to swipe a screenshot from the fight club but I dont wanna drop into the middle of one of their games and start the vote screens running.. People usually dont take too kindly of that.
If someone is playing fight club anytime soon try and grab a screen shot of their voting screen so we can show to the Whuterful one on how much of an improvement it is. Doesnt depend on the noobs knows what the esc key is to even see the vote screen. They cant seem to figure this out no matter how much Whut says "Bitches" Once Known as Grumpy... Oh hell lets face it... I have and will always be Grumpy
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Rank: Not Cool Enough for a Rank :(

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we had a version of the voting system that all you had to do is press a number, but it didn't work out to well if i remember correctly. this is because it didn't matter what you were doing, when the voting came up, the next number you pressed was the map you voted for. half the time i was in the middle of a gunfight and i ended up trying to switch guns and then i got killed because instead of switching i had voted  not too many people liked this system and whut changed away from it for obvious reasons. i hope the system you are talking about is a different one.
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Sigh..
Another issue of not being able to have cake and eating it to. I am pretty sure we are talking about the same thing. There are not too many different ways of doing this voting..
I guess the question is Do we go with the status quo of no one ever voting and complaing all the time about the maps they are stuck with. Or do we go with option two that i can see being a small problem if you just happen to be changing guns right at that time?
I was looking back at Whuts mapcycle post. Did you realize the old cycle only had 2fort rotating and everything else being votable? There is not too much of a change of scheme here. Once Known as Grumpy... Oh hell lets face it... I have and will always be Grumpy
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