this is a copy of a gazzic chat, smartest one to date?
[00:31] {pDs} J-Town: We could always talk about scientific theory
or philosophy
[00:33] {pDs} Gazzic: I don't really know any scientific theory or
philosophy
[00:33] {pDs} J-Town: well you suck then
[00:34] {pDs} Gazzic: toss something at me
[00:34] shignog: theory is nothing more than wild statemanet made
by people with no scientific reaserch to back it up
[00:35] {pDs} J-Town: Gravity is technically a theory
[00:35] shignog: not really whats going up must come down, unless
you throw it up on soemthing
[00:36] {pDs} J-Town: well "they" still call it theory
[00:36] {pDs} J-Town: you know... "them"
[00:36] shignog: um really? who is they?
[00:37] {pDs} Gazzic: evolution is a theory
[00:37] {pDs} Gazzic: something that is believed to be true
[00:37] {pDs} J-Town: [00:37] {pDs} J-Town: you know... "them"
[00:37] {pDs} Gazzic: but might not be
[00:37] {pDs} Gazzic: big bang is a theory
[00:37] shignog: who is them? the voicse in you head
[00:37] shignog: god is a theory as well
[00:37] {pDs} J-Town: some
[00:38] shignog: it depends on what you believe really
[00:39] shignog: you can beleive that you go to a better place when
you die or just rot in the ground
[00:39] {pDs} J-Town: I choose both
[00:39] {pDs} Gazzic: btw theories are often developed through
scientific research
[00:39] {pDs} Gazzic: so your earlier statement is wrong
[00:39] shignog: well thoes two you reallly cant research cuz its
all done and over with
[00:40] shignog: but not all theories are proven correct threw
scientific research
[00:40] shignog: some are some are not
[00:41] shignog: and some can not be proven eother way
[00:41] {pDs} Gazzic: I know
[00:41] {pDs} Gazzic: anyone can develop a theory
[00:41] {pDs} Gazzic: a theory is just a opinion
[00:42] {pDs} Gazzic: that being said
[00:42] shignog: a theroy has to be plauseable to even be
considered a therory
[00:42] {pDs} J-Town: lol
[00:42] {pDs} Gazzic: most - if not all - widely accepted theories
are backed up by extensive scientific research
[00:43] {pDs} Gazzic: no it doesn't shig
[00:43] shignog: ya it does, if it didnt then any lone nutcase
could make a therory
[00:43] {pDs} Gazzic: even if a theory isn't plausible it's still a
theory
[00:43] shignog: ok name one than
[00:44] {pDs} Gazzic: scientology
[00:45] shignog: scientology? really thats the best you can up
with?, scientology has been turned into a religoen, and only people
that have something wornt in there head would believ in somehting
like that
[00:45] {pDs} Gazzic: dude a theory is a opinion. It doesn't matter
if theory is plausible or implausible
[00:45] shignog: and there is nothing backing it up
[00:46] {pDs} Gazzic: that doesn't matter
[00:46] {pDs} Gazzic: it's still a fucking theory
[00:46] shignog: its a religeon not therory
[00:46] {pDs} Gazzic: anyone can have a theory
[00:46] {pDs} J-Town: [00:30] {pDs} Gazzic: our conversations are
so stupid
[00:46] shignog: rofl
[00:46] shignog: who cares
[00:46] {pDs} Gazzic: dude anyone can have a theory....
[00:46] shignog: thats what the net is for is it not, or at least
one use of it
[00:47] {pDs} Gazzic: most theories are far from plausible
[00:47] {pDs} Gazzic: but they're still theories
[00:47] shignog: i have a therory that you can stick you feet in
you ass then, so is this a real therory then?
[00:47] {pDs} Gazzic: for example.... Some people believe the
pyramids were built with the help of aliens
[00:47] {pDs} Gazzic: that is a theory
[00:47] {pDs} J-Town: And very true
[00:47] {pDs} Gazzic: a very implausible
[00:48] {pDs} Gazzic: theory
[00:48] {pDs} Gazzic: but still a fucking theory
[00:48] shignog: ya nutcaese belive that aliens help or that thy
are real
[00:48] {pDs} Gazzic: THE POINT IS....
[00:48] {pDs} Gazzic: IT'S still a theory
[00:49] {pDs} Gazzic: a theory states that something might be, or
could be, or should be.
[00:49] shignog: not really what is there to back it up? and is
anyone mentaly stable in the first places to beleive that
[00:49] {pDs} Gazzic: some theories are backed up by scientific
research and fact
[00:49] {pDs} Gazzic: and are generally accepted as truth
[00:49] shignog: well then a theroy is nothin more than someones
thought or opinion
[00:50] shignog: would it not?
[00:50] {pDs} J-Town: I have a theory that this will be the
smartest conversation that will ever take place in a gazzic
chatroom
[00:50] shignog: rofl i think your right
[00:50] {pDs} Gazzic: a theory is an opinion
[00:51] shignog: and an opinion is just what someone thinks or
believes
[00:51] {pDs} Gazzic: some theories are developed in a
educated/academic manner
[00:51] {pDs} Gazzic: some aren't
[00:51] shignog: you mean an aducated guess
[00:51] shignog: educated*
[00:51] {pDs} Gazzic: basically what I said
[00:52] {pDs} Gazzic: fact = a reality
[00:52] shignog: but there is a big difference
[00:52] {pDs} Gazzic: theory = something that might be or could be
or should be
[00:52] shignog: an erban myth is not fact or therory its jsut
something that some people believe in
[00:53] {pDs} Gazzic: we weren't talking about urban myths
[00:53] {pDs} Gazzic: where did you get that from?
[00:53] {pDs} J-Town: or are we gaz
[00:53] {pDs} J-Town: people beleive in them
[00:53] {pDs} Gazzic: urban myths are stories... i.e. myths
[00:54] {pDs} Gazzic: modern mythodology if you will
[00:54] shignog: but if people beleve in them then in your own
words it would be a therory
[00:54] {pDs} Gazzic: yes they could be
[00:54] shignog: yes but people beleive in them. just like they
believe that aliens built the pryaminds
[00:54] shignog: same thing
[00:54] {pDs} J-Town: they are however based on peoples theories
about what can be or should be
[00:54] {pDs} Gazzic: ummm yes... so?
[00:54] {pDs} Gazzic: what the fuck is your point?
[00:55] shignog: some of them are what people came up with when
there drunk and grown from there
[00:55] {pDs} Gazzic: yes.... and they are still theories.....
[00:55] {pDs} Gazzic: stupid theories...
[00:55] {pDs} J-Town: Just about anything is a theory
[00:55] {pDs} Gazzic: implausible theories...
[00:55] {pDs} Gazzic: unfounded theories...
[00:55] {pDs} Gazzic: BUT STILL FUCKING THEORIES
[00:56] {pDs} Gazzic: and most aren't meant by their creator to be
theories
[00:56] {pDs} Gazzic: they're meant to be stories
[00:56] shignog: how are urban myths and stupider than aliens
building stuff on earth and probing people?
[00:56] {pDs} Gazzic: lol
[00:56] {pDs} J-Town: have you ever been probed?
[00:56] {pDs} Gazzic: I never said they were any better
[00:56] shignog: no i have not
[00:57] {pDs} Gazzic: I said the alien thing was highly implausible
[00:57] {pDs} J-Town: well then you (and I) do not know
[00:57] shignog: not by aliens or someone at church camp cuz i
never went to one
[00:58] {pDs} Gazzic: Anyways it really doesn't matter
[00:58] {pDs} J-Town: now, on to philosophy
[00:59] shignog: ok what about it?
[00:59] {pDs} Gazzic: opinion/belief/theory/religion
[00:59] {pDs} Gazzic: are all symbolic creations of our culture and
language
[00:59] {pDs} Gazzic: arbitrary in meaning although percieved by us
as having meaning
[01:00] shignog: ok go on
[01:00] {pDs} Gazzic: we are born and encultured into a group
[01:00] {pDs} Gazzic: we learn the ways of the group
[01:00] shignog: and we also die and get buryied into a group
[01:00] {pDs} Gazzic: our values, norms, beliefs, and world view
follow that of the group
[01:01] {pDs} J-Town: if we had true free will, would that even be
true...
[01:01] {pDs} Gazzic: the very act of getting buried by the group
is a social construct of our specific group
[01:01] {pDs} Gazzic: and cross-culturally not universal
[01:02] {pDs} Gazzic: the buddhist monks practice exposure
[01:02] {pDs} Gazzic: where they let the crows and such peck away
at your remains
[01:02] {pDs} Gazzic: no one has true free will
[01:02] {pDs} Gazzic: true free will is a myth
[01:03] shignog: who so?
[01:03] {pDs} J-Town: You so
[01:03] shignog: i have free will i do what i want when i want
[01:03] {pDs} Gazzic: even if a person was raised by a group of
wolfs
[01:03] {pDs} Gazzic: they wouldn't have true free will
[01:03] {pDs} Gazzic: our knowledge is limited
[01:03] {pDs} J-Town: But why do you do what you do?
[01:04] shignog: cuz i can
[01:04] {pDs} Gazzic: you have free will within the world view of
the group
[01:04] shignog: but how so?
[01:04] shignog: no group tells me what to do
[01:04] shignog: or what i should and should not do
[01:04] {pDs} Gazzic: the words you write
[01:05] {pDs} J-Town: The reasons you do what you do are based on
the beliefs that your group has planted in you, and that have been
created within your surroundings
[01:05] {pDs} Gazzic: are a construction
[01:05] shignog: what groups would that be?
[01:05] {pDs} Gazzic: could you willingly throw away the meaning
of those words as arbitrary
[01:05] {pDs} Gazzic: and take on a different language
[01:05] {pDs} Gazzic: of your own creation
[01:05] {pDs} Gazzic: all groups
[01:06] {pDs} Gazzic: are socially constructed
[01:06] {pDs} Gazzic: all groups have a specific cultural identity
[01:06] {pDs} J-Town: and have influence
[01:06] shignog: any one can make up there own language identacial
twins have been known and proven
[01:06] {pDs} Gazzic: limited influence
[01:07] shignog: that is if you let someone or some group influence
you
[01:07] {pDs} Gazzic: shig I never mention identical twins
[01:07] {pDs} Gazzic: stop pulling crap out of your ass
[01:07] shignog: but i did
[01:07] {pDs} Gazzic: yeah, out of the blue.
[01:08] shignog: idential twins do make up there own language just
cuz you dont know about it, does not make it any less true
[01:08] {pDs} Gazzic: I was born into a white english speaking
family.
[01:08] {pDs} J-Town: haha loser
[01:08] {pDs} Gazzic: my values, norms, beliefs are shaped by that
group
[01:08] shignog: now what group would make twins like that make up
there own language so no one else knows what there saying?
[01:08] {pDs} Gazzic: the people that raise me shape my world view
[01:09] {pDs} Gazzic: my world view is limited to that group
[01:09] {pDs} Gazzic: people outside of my group have different
cultural identities
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[01:12] shignog: but what if you do not have a group and are a
loner then would you have free will?
[01:12] shignog: for some reason i lost my connection to xfire
[01:12] {pDs} J-Town: ok
[01:14] shignog: so what about loners, what group do they belong
to?
[01:15] {pDs} J-Town: your surroundings and experiences throughout
life shape your choices along with "groups/societies."
[01:15] {pDs} J-Town: not an answer...
[01:15] {pDs} J-Town: im tired
[01:16] shignog: so a loner person would be concidered the closet
to have free will then>
[01:16] shignog: ?*
[01:17] shignog: and would not surroundings and experiences define
who you are not if you have free will or not?
WDF?: I found a hot girl
WDF?: Who lets me
WDF?: Drink
WDF?: Smoke
WDF?: And play video games
WDF?: ALL DAY
shignog: and in the back door?
WDF?: She's back door compatible
WDF?: And it comes enabled by default
WDF?: I need to teach sirus a lesson
WDF?: Oh wait
WDF?: That's called gay
shignog: if there is a girl there its bi
WDF?: lol
WDF?: ok
shignog: so its not so gay
WDF?: Good enough
