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Oopsie
#16 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 12:04:22 PM
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James, I understand your frustration, but perhaps utilizing some tact would be in order.

Also, you list things that need to be done, but not what you suggests happens to do them. 

Example:
get more recruits:  How do you propose that happens?  Does one drive down to Wal-mart and pick up some and some Dr. Pepper while they are there?

Get better servers:  Can we grow those in the backyard or does it take money that people are not donating (not going to ask if you donate or not, but you can consider that to yourself). 

Attacking WDF's leadership:  do you need somebody to tell you to play daily?  What sort of leadership do you need?  Not to mention that the clan rules require NOBODY to compete.

Fill the servers:  again, buy players while at Wal-Mart?  I was a regular for a while.  I have been scarce as I have a personal life (work, marriage, family, personal interests) that does not always afford time to TF2.  I am able to stay active on the forums as best I can.  Also, I am not sure how long you have been playing online games, but a downturn in players is always expected during the summer (people still go outside) and the age of the game contributes to that as well.  TF2 is ranked 15 in terms of hours played on xfire, not number 1.

Again, you can be frustrated, but attacking folks for not having the level of dedication/time/drive to play this game does not drive them to the servers, it just drives them away from you.
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#17 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 12:15:45 PM
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Geeze...I just chalked up empty servers last night due to it being the 3rd of July.  Blowing off your hand with a M80 is much more fun that watching your gibs on your screen.




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jamesbigmac
#18 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 12:24:40 PM
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Oopsie wrote:
James, I understand your frustration, but perhaps utilizing some tact would be in order.

Also, you list things that need to be done, but not what you suggests happens to do them. 

Example:
get more recruits:  How do you propose that happens?  Does one drive down to Wal-mart and pick up some and some Dr. Pepper while they are there?

Get better servers:  Can we grow those in the backyard or does it take money that people are not donating (not going to ask if you donate or not, but you can consider that to yourself). 

Attacking WDF's leadership:  do you need somebody to tell you to play daily?  What sort of leadership do you need?  Not to mention that the clan rules require NOBODY to compete.

Fill the servers:  again, buy players while at Wal-Mart?  I was a regular for a while.  I have been scarce as I have a personal life (work, marriage, family, personal interests) that does not always afford time to TF2.  I am able to stay active on the forums as best I can.  Also, I am not sure how long you have been playing online games, but a downturn in players is always expected during the summer (people still go outside) and the age of the game contributes to that as well.  TF2 is ranked 15 in terms of hours played on xfire, not number 1.

Again, you can be frustrated, but attacking folks for not having the level of dedication/time/drive to play this game does not drive them to the servers, it just drives them away from you.


oopsie you obviously missed my post and didn't read the whole thing.

get more recruits:  I said this would take care of itself if the servers were filled.

get better servers:  I don't personally know why, but there has been a hardware update in the works for months (apparently) that has not gone through and has just been on hold.  I would donate but I don't have a job at the moment and I am up to my ass in student loans.

attacking wdf's leadership:  I wasn't just randomly attacking him because I am disgruntled alone.  I play on the servers and try to fill them whenever possible.  In this area I don't think you have any reason to attack me because I go on the servers every day and don't see even a quarter of people that should be on there.  I don't need someone to tell ME to play, but others probably do.

fill the servers: We can do this by simply banding together as a clan and actually getting it done.  When the event call goes out there are usually four people that show up at MAX.  A lot of times it is only Belligerent Pimp and I that show up.  I really hope this post pisses people off, for the sole reason that it might cause something to actually happen.  I'm doing this because I enjoyed the atmosphere and play that pDs had a couple of months ago, not because I'm just angry.
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#19 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 2:22:45 PM
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Dudes,

Knowing James a bit, I didn't see his post as an attack but a sort of notification of what's been happening at the servers.

I think there's a few issues that get in the way of pDs + the Tempests growing into what it could be, and I think James is just saying what he's noticing. If he was truly an ass about it, I think he would just leave and join another clan. Less work right? But since he wants to help and remembers the good times he's had killing everyone here (lolz), he wants to make this place a bit better.

That's what we're all after, rite?
WDF?
#20 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 2:54:41 PM
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Waaaaaaah



WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!



Shut up.


I'm on my way to go pick up the financing for the three new boxes today. Sorry it took so long. Hopefully we can work a deal with our financers and get the ball rolling finally.

Once this happens I'll be taking a more active role again blah blah blah.

pDs goes through this downtime each year every year. Ask anyone who's been here for a while.

Splinter
#21 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 3:34:34 PM
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I think people forget the meaning of what {pDs} stands for. Yeah we're a clan, yes we like to play games. We arn't the typical group where were extreme hardcore. We're a casual clan grouped with a many variety of people. We don't boot people out for being inactive or give "promotions" for people having 100 hours logged logged in for 1 week. We sometimes even go to tournaments but we don't expect people to play. People are here to have fun and enjoy more out of life through video games as such of what they are sopposed to do to begin with.

Lets face it we will have the usual clan problem here and there, who doesn't? Hell last year we went serverless for well over 6 months. I don't think people have much of a right to complain so much cause the little things tend to pick your insanity. Yeah we got people who donate, and thanks alot for doing so, it really helps out. We woun't turn our backs to those supporting us. We always come with a compensation anytime problems pop up, and sometimes even give a little extra back. People not in {pDs} gotta understand especially we arn't gonna be dedicated 100% cause people got lifes to live..... well some do anyway. Yes we promise new hardware for everyone to be drooling in. But face the facts, things arn't always gonna be on schedual. Just be patient.

Whut does alot, and I do mean ALOT for this community, its pretty amazing to see it myself as he's only 1 guy and keeping something like this in track is very very tough work. The only thing we ask is patience, things will work and they will eventually break sometimes but in the end we try to keep everyone happy. So don't frown be cheerfull, afterall it takes too much effort to be mad. Its bad for you, youll raise your blood pressure and probly explode so chill out, relax. Things will smooth up.

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WDF?
#22 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 5:35:31 PM
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jamesbigmac wrote:
It is time that the wdfnews community got hit with some hard fucking information. I'm going to label out the problems and then some possible solutions (even though I know no one will probably help).

1.  There is no debating, no whining, no mistake.  THE TEMPEST SERVERS ARE DEAD. Not dying, DEAD.
2.  Our leadership SUCKS.
3.  Our regular members are nonexistant.
4. We have no recruits.


Solutions
1.a. Get better servers.  The lag on these new Seattle-based is incredibly discouraging.  I have people complain from the west coast about lag, how is that even expected to operate as servers?
    b. Get more people to play on the servers.  When I originally joined pDs, three servers were fulled constantly.  Now we struggle to fill half of a server.

2.a.  Who the hell are our leaders?  I never see any leadership from anyone besides BilligerentPimp.  He is the only one that actually tries to get people onto the servers.  I haven't seen WDF in god knows how long and I thought this place was named after him.  If you want to lead, then lead by example.  Don't be a ghost in a uniform.
   b.  If you have only one person trying to organize anything then it will eventually fail since this is on his free time.
   c.  It seems that Leon and I have been the only ones organizing tournament matches since Virus has had to take time for other activities.  The tournament section is the only section that is actually active.  The tempest servers were supposed to be nooby friendly, I suggest we strive to take that back.

3.a.  This is actually up to most of the members themselves.  Our community is casual and I like that, but a little constructive prodding is all that most people need.

4.a.  This is directly linked to the servers being dead.  You hook up the servers and get them running again, recruits take care of themselves.


Time to engage the rage.

I've wanted to stay out of this thread and let it run its course. However, I think since one of the major complaints is that our leadership sucks, I'll weigh in on this issue.

Let's begin.

1. The servers are dead.

What? Tempest 2 is full daily. Every day. The only time it isn't full is when there is an update and I haven't updated it yet. That's it. The other servers are less popular, yes, but that's to be expected.

There are some things that need to change, I agree. The userbase has dwindled. This is a two parter. One, Valve keeps pulling a George Lucas on their games. The soldier is pretty fucking lame right now. The game is losing players globally. Less players. Less activity.

Two, it's summer time. People are outside enjoying the vacation time and the weather. Not everyone wants to cram into the servers when it's a zillion degrees outside. People are enjoying life outside of the videogame world. This happens every single year to our community. Every single year. Ask anyone who's been here for at least three or four. Every summer the playerbase drops off.

"Get better servers." Oh, ok. Let me jump right on that. Allow me to demonstrate the amount of money this place loses me each fucking month. $450/month in colo hosting ALONE. $20/month for HLstatsx stuff. Currently $1000 on a website redesign. Another $10,000 on getting the better servers you demand. I don't see you shelling out a damn cent to help me out with that. If it was as easy as flipping a switch and magically having better hardware, believe me I'd do it. However, I have a lot of things to budget here. Not only do I have house payments, car payments, utilities payments, tax payments, but on top of that I need to come up with $10,000 to fix the online issue. I'm working on it. It's taking a LOT longer than I anticipated. But really, getting someone to finance something like this is no easy task. You want to step up and send that money my way?

Furthermore, Tempest 4 is central and on a different machine/provider. Donkey stepped up and made that happen. That's something you can't say you've done. If you want a server that isn't hindered by hardware issues currently, play over there. Get games going. Make that your port of harbor.

Why don't you help get more players in? Bonzai!

2. Our leadership sucks.

Thanks. Make sure to put that one into the suggestion box.

Let's check some facts here. I've been doing this for eight years now. Go around and find some other online communities that have been around that long. My leadership isn't perfect, but it's apparently pretty damn ok considering things.

What is your definition of leadership anyway? Someone online constantly pounding the war drums and harrassing people into playing with you? Putting us in clan matches? What?

Anyway, you haven't seen me because I haven't been around. I'm out working my ass off to pay for everything you get to enjoy here. To me, that is the ultimate sacrifice. That is the ultimate form of leadership. I don't even get to fucking enjoy my hard work. You do. I've provided everything you need for a successful server community, you, the users, need to uphold your end of the deal.

It takes a lot of effort to run the servers. It takes a lot of effort to manage everything. Once I get home from working a 14 hour day lighting a warehouse for a WaMu music video commercial I hardly feel like digging through server code and getting games going. I want to sleep. I keep the servers up to date. I add new stuff here and there when requested. The users must be the ones to help me out.

Are they helping? No, not much, I'll give you that. Step it up, people.

Lastly, this place wasn't named after me. This place is me. This is mine. I named it, I run it, I own it. Should it be named jamesbigmacnews.com? Maybe when you do something other than tell me how shitty I am.

There are four admins in this organization. Myself, Sirus, Splinter, and Dragon. Belpimp isn't one of them. Belpimp is a player, like yourself, who is going the extra mile to get shit done. The same thing I've asked of every single one of you. This community has never been about leadership or ranks. Never about who's in charge. It's always been about people doing their part.

Again, I've provided the tools for you to do your part. Do it.

"It seems that Leon and I have been the only ones organizing tournament matches since Virus has had to take time for other activities.  The tournament section is the only section that is actually active.  The tempest servers were supposed to be nooby friendly, I suggest we strive to take that back."

What? I don't thank you enough? Please. That was a project of Leon. He asked for space for it, he got it. I never wanted anything to do with it. I said that at the beginning. It's not my responsibility. WDFNews has NEVER been about competition. It's a subsection of a greater vision. It's part of our growing. It's an important part of who we are, but it's not who we are as a whole.


3. Non-existant members.

I shouldn't have to touch this one. It's not my fault. People have lives. People can do what they want. I'm not going to start kicking people because they aren't playing with you enough.


4. Recruits come and go. Blah blah blah. Yeah, it would be nice to have the infrastructure to provide top tier gaming experiences.

I'm fucking working on it. It's expensive. It has zero return value for me.



I hate to make this a money issue, but it is.

WDFNews and it's assets make me $0. However, it costs me a fuckload. It is the worst investment ever in terms of possibility of a return.

The return I get cannot be put into a dollar amount. It's the enjoyment that people get from playing here. It's the community that stands apart from many other communities.

The community shapes itself. I can't wave my magic wand and all of a sudden everyone magically changes their mind and starts participating again. That's not how it works.



In closing, are the servers hurting? Yep. Is the community hurting? Yep. Has this happened before? Yep. WIll this happen again? Yep.

This community is what you make it. I don't see many people having a pow-wow together, discussing when to play and where. I don't see much of that.

You could try to get some people together every day and join the servers. Use the steam community tools to your advantage. Start talking to people more. Everyone, not just James, needs to step up. This place will only die if you stop helping me.


I NEED HELP. I CANNOT MANAGE THIS PLACE ALONE. IT REQUIRES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU TO DO YOUR PART. THE SERVERS WILL STAY DEAD UNTIL YOU GUYS STEP UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

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#23 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 6:07:31 PM
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Whut said it all.  If this were a vote i would say close this poll. 
ahhhh_crap
#24 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 6:14:06 PM
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I'd say the usual thing. The more we sit around and bitch about stuff not being perfect is the more we're not playing a damn game already.

 Making this community a drama office isn't enticing. Making this community a place where nutjobs like whut, cantrip, myself, etc can have some fun, enjoy the games and et al is the whole point. I got pissed with the pyro update and bailed for a very brief bit, didn't much miss the game, but I did miss the folks.

 One thing I never EVER miss is fucking bullshit drama. This place has been around, until whut gets off his meds it'll keep goin around I'd predict. Now can we please stop bitching and just get back to being retards?

Splinter
#25 Posted: : Friday, July 04, 2008 6:19:00 PM
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Sweet Jesus, Im glad I've never hit your raging side yet and hopefully never will. But In all honesty running a place of this magnitude on your own does take alot off yourself.

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#26 Posted: : Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:25:31 AM
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Splinter wrote:
Sweet Jesus, Im glad I've never hit your raging side yet and hopefully never will. But In all honesty running a place of this magnitude on your own does take alot off yourself.


Man I wish I still had some of our old forums from the clan-mr days. You ain't seen Whutters rant yet, believe me.
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#27 Posted: : Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:52:47 AM
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James if you need someone to help you with TWL stuff just ask me. I'll be glad to help you out and run a TWL team. Like in my post in "set teams" I have no problem with a random team.

Recruits and etc. - Not everyone wants to join clans (ex. Wounded24)

Leaders aka admins - Everyone has a life, majority of our admins has a life and doesn't have the time to post an announcement. Do I feel like applying for adminship... maybe... Will I? one day.

Servers - I think we should just get a better map rotations. No more of those random custom maps that we'll never play. Just the usual ones whats popular like warpath, chaos, and mach4. No more RTV or atleast... no more extend, this seriously creates a 24/7 "Map" servers. We should just have 1 rotational server and 2 24/7. This way we don't have to decide tempest 1 or 3 to fill up (ITS A HARD CHOICE DAMIT!! :P). No but seriously it's the same map rotational. I suggest 24/7 dustbowl and/or goldrush since these are very popular to play. Also take out the maps that have their own 24/7 server *COUGH* 2fort, go die! I don't want to play you in tempest 1!

Tempest 2 needs class limit. It's just a frag fest and no one actually plays the game the way it was meant. 2 scouts 3 soldiers 3 pyros 2 demoman 2 heavy 2 engineer 2 medics 2 snipers 2 spy. This way we see more variety of classes instead of seeing more demoman since engineer is limited to 2.

24/7 servers just needs the small player slot extension since it is 24/7 and people tend to stay longer than rotational.

tpractice
#28 Posted: : Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:11:30 AM
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{pDs}BelligerentPimp wrote:
Splinter wrote:
Sweet Jesus, Im glad I've never hit your raging side yet and hopefully never will. But In all honesty running a place of this magnitude on your own does take alot off yourself.


Man I wish I still had some of our old forums from the clan-mr days. You ain't seen Whutters rant yet, believe me.

LOL, yeah the big guy must be mellowing in his old age, even from a year ago.  Ok time for the old guy to chime in.

Big Mac, if you take anything away from this is that Life will be and always will be > than video games.  I can't imagine working 14 hours a day and trying to hold up a gaming server.  During certain times of the year I will pull 14 hour days to push designs out and Whut is right, all you want to do is come home and sleep.

It's summer time Big Mac, go out and have some fun.  My wife and I are both professionals and one thing we have learned is to mix up your life and try new activities.  As far as some of your other observations, the best way to solve issues is to be constructive and lend some ideas and suggestions. 

I now work and have worked closely with owners of businesses and one thing to remember Mac, if tomorrow Whut wakes up and wants to change the server to a Commodore 64 and host Barney the dinosaur video games it's pretty much his call.  Luckily for us, he hasn't gotten that drunk yet and has held together this group for a number of years.

Next time, just a simple "What can we do to help?" will go a lot farther.

BTW, thanks Whut

 

jamesbigmac
#29 Posted: : Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:18:30 PM
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Well I'm glad that people have been putting me in my place.
It's good to see people get pissed off about this.
Whut, I knew this place and the servers were out of the goodness of your soul, but I had no idea it was literally no return for you.

I know that I may have been incredibly outrageous on the post, but I really don't care because at least people started talking about it.
And about the coming home and sleeping part, I really only sleep like 4 hours every night so I can't relate to that.

targetparctice:  I do go out and have fun, just when I'm back and have no responsibilities to fulfill or I'm just tired from working out, I want to just hop online and frag in some friendly servers.  I like the tempest servers because of this, I got muted/gagged/kicked from a server for telling someone to mute a guy that was mic spamming.
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#30 Posted: : Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:47:10 PM
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The first thing we all should do is support this community with MONEY.  Donate now.  The second thing we can do is thanks Whut for all his unpaid  work for the community.

Thanks Whut.

This summer is going to be a low fragging time for me, but I've sent some cash in anyway.  There will be ups and downs in any group activity,  but things change.

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