Poll Question : Do you believe in global warming?
Choice Votes Statistics
Yes 13 61 %
No 8 38 %
Haven't thought much about it 0 0 %

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Palin does not believe in global warming. Options
BadHorsie
#1 Posted: : Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:44:46 AM
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I was thinking when I heard that Governor Palin doesn't believe in global warming, "Duh! It's cold in Alaska!".

I do not see how that can help change anything, if she doesn't believe in global warming. If she doesn't believe in it, she cannot help the situation. Not that she wants to. She supports big oil and drilling.

Was wondering if others believe/do not believe in global warming?

 

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Climate change is happening. Is it the end of all civilization? IMO, no. Even if worst-comes-to-worst, we have the technology to get us out of this mess. Dump all the Freon, Slurpee machines and 1988 air condtioners into the Atlantic Ocean. And join the damn Kyoto Protocol. Problem solved.
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I believe in polls that frame the question as more than the substitute-for-religion issue most environmentalists treat it as.

This poll should have been a few more options, such as:

What are your thoughts on global warming?
  • It is happening, we are causing it, and we can do something about it by going green.
  • It is happening, we are causing it, but going green won't make any appreciable impact on it.
  • It is happening, but it's not caused by us and we can't do anything about it.
  • Global what?  We just had a record winter where I'm from.

As it is, this poll is nothing more than a "so, who disagrees with my liberal cause du jour?  Please line up so we can belittle your backwards ways." (note the title of the thread as an indicator)


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No, it's a simple yes or no poll with another option of maybe never having considered it.

You're making more of it than it is. I think the power has gone to your head a bit there, buckaroo.

Anyway, it's my poll. You don't have to answer or participate in it at all.

 

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Huh, power?  Because I think the poll is slanted?

Here's a suggestion for a couple more polls:

  • Is abortion good or bad?
     
  • Are Democrats/Republicans right or wrong?
     
  • Should we do anything about terrorists, yes or no?



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endyss wrote:
Huh, power?  Because I think the poll is slanted?

Here's a suggestion for a couple more polls:

  • Is abortion good or bad?
     
  • Are Democrats/Republicans right or wrong?
     
  • Should we do anything about terrorists, yes or no?


You're off topic, but welcome to start your own polls.

 

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I love how you call it off-topic and attempt to redirect when I point out a critically fatal flaw of your call out for opinion (since as you've laid it out you have the "clearly right" answer, the "clearly wrong" answer, and the "I'm too ignorant to know" answer, at least as far as your opinion according to the title indicates).

Or let me guess, you don't worship at the altar of global warming, you actually admire Palin's stance, and you didn't created the poll as simple flamebait on the same right/left election nonsense we've been engaging in since the conventions began.


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Okay, let's back up -

endyss wrote:
Please line up so we can belittle your backwards ways.

The only person in this thread doing anything remotely like this, is you.

So, yes, a bit of power to the brain, I think. Absolute power corrupts, right?

Nobody flaming or flambating anyone, except you.

But, hey I forgot! You are an admin now! My mistake.

We should all post polls that YOU want us to on views YOU agree with. This is a poll. There is no right or wrong answer, except maybe in your mind. I have my opinion, sure. As do you. You are welcome to post any views you have on the subject posted in the lead statement. That would be on topic. Nobody asked you to point out any (in your mind) critical flaws.

Now, you could choose "yes" (as in "yes you believe in global warming) or even "no" (as in "no you dont believe in global warming") and then post below why you feel the way you do. That would be a discussion, which fits well in a discussion forum. That would be a lot better than a poll where you have to choose only "Yes, because I think cows did it" when you really feel like goats did it.

Anyway, disregarding any future "off topic" posts by you.

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endyss wrote:
Huh, power?  Because I think the poll is slanted?

Here's a suggestion for a couple more polls:

  • Is abortion good or bad?
     
  • Are Democrats/Republicans right or wrong?
     
  • Should we do anything about terrorists, yes or no?



good

wrong

or

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More on topic.

I haven't agreed with anything I have heard her say/do/whatever

TripleBam wrote:
I was about to correct something but....no...it's all there.

Cantrip wrote:
Holy fuck. J-Town is a genius!


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Whole lotta words that add up to "hey everyone I'm a giant faggot"

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I just remember chewing it for 5 minutes before giving up. I tried to fit the whole slab into my mouth and some of it started sliding down to where I started to gag on it. I ended up pulling the whole 7" piece by the very tail end from my esophagus before stuffing it under my seat cushion.

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Sarah Palin
GOVERNOR   STATE OF ALASKA
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR
JUNEAU September 14th, 2007

ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER NO. 238

I, Sarah Palin, Governor of the State of Alaska, under the authority of art. III, secs. 1 and 24 of the Alaska Constitution establish the Alaska Climate Change Sub-Cabinet to advise the Office of the Governor on the preparation and implementation of an Alaska climate change strategy.

BACKGROUND AND FINDINGS

Scientific evidence shows many areas of Alaska are experiencing a warming trend. Many experts predict that Alaska, along with our northern latitude neighbors, will continue to warm at a faster pace than any other state, and the warming will continue for decades. Climate change is not just an environmental issue. It is also a social, cultural, and economic issue important to all Alaskans. As a result of this warming, coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans. Alaska needs a strategy to identify and mitigate potential impacts of climate change and to guide its efforts in evaluating and addressing known or suspected causes of climate change. Alaska's climate change strategy must be built on sound science and the best available facts and must recognize Alaska's interest in economic growth and the development of its resources. Commercializing Alaska's great natural gas reserves through a new pipeline will improve the nation's energy security while providing a clean, low carbon fuel to help the nation reduce its overall greenhouse gas emissions.

PURPOSE AND DUTIES

The purpose of the Climate Change Sub-Cabinet is to advise the Office of the Governor on the preparation and implementation of an Alaska climate change strategy. This strategy should include building the state's knowledge of the actual and foreseeable effects of climate warming in Alaska, developing appropriate measures and policies to prepare communities in Alaska for the anticipated impacts from climate change, and providing guidance regarding Alaska's participation in regional and national efforts addressing the causes and effects of climate change.

In view of its purpose, the Climate Change Sub-Cabinet shall develop recommendations on the following:
  1. the assembly of scientific research, modeling, and mapping information in ways that will help the public and policymakers understand the actual and projected effects of climate change in Alaska, including the time frames in which those effects are likely to take place;

  2. the prioritization of climate change research in Alaska to best meet the needs of the public and policymakers;

  3. the most effective means of informing, and generating a dialogue with the public regarding climate change in Alaska;

  4. the early assessment and development of an action plan addressing climate change impacts on coastal and other vulnerable communities in Alaska;

  5. the policies and measures to reduce the likelihood or magnitude of damage to infrastructure in Alaska from the effects of climate change;

  6. the policies and measures addressing foreseeable changes to the marine environment; the quantity, quality, and location of fish and game in Alaska; and the productivity of forests and agricultural lands in Alaska due to climate change;

  7. the evaluation and response to the risks of new, or an increase in the frequency or severity of, disease and pests due to climate change in Alaska;

  8. the identification of federal and state mechanisms for financing climate change activities in Alaska, including research and adaptation projects;

  9. the potential benefits of Alaska participating in regional, national, and international climate policy agreements and greenhouse gas registries;

  10. the opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from Alaska sources, including the expanded use of alternative fuels, energy conservation, energy efficiency, renewable energy, land use management, and transportation planning;

  11. aggressive efforts toward development of an Alaska natural gas pipeline to commercialize clean burning, low carbon natural gas reserves;

  12. the opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the operations of Alaska state government;

  13. the opportunities for Alaska to participate in carbon-trading markets, including the offering of carbon sequestration;

  14. the identification of economic opportunities for Alaska that might emerge as a result of the growing response to this global challenge;

  15. other policies and measures that the Climate Change Sub-Cabinet considers would help achieve the purpose of this Order.

COMPOSITION AND CHAIRPERSON

The Climate Change Sub-Cabinet consists of the commissioners of the Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development; Department of Environmental Conservation; Department of Natural Resources; Department of Fish and Game; and Department of Transportation and Public Facilities. The Climate Change Sub-Cabinet shall consult with the President of the University of Alaska or his or her designee and the director of State/Federal Relations and Special Counsel in the Office of the Governor, Washington, D.C., or another representative designated by the governor.

ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT

The member agencies shall provide administrative support necessary to carry out this Order. In accordance with law, these agencies may enter into intergovernmental agreements or apply for federal and other grants available to accomplish the purposes of this Order.

OTHER PROVISIONS

The Climate Change Sub-Cabinet shall serve as the executive branch contact to, and a resource for, the Alaska Climate Impact Assessment Commission established by Legislative Resolve 49 (2006).

The Climate Change Sub-Cabinet may form one or more workgroups that include members of the public to assist the sub-cabinet in achieving the purpose of this Order.

At times and locations to be determined by the Climate Change Sub-Cabinet, it shall convene public meetings to present and receive comments on its draft recommendations.

Nothing in this Order is intended to limit or otherwise modify any existing or future statutory or regulatory authority of any state agency.

This Order takes effect immediately.

DATED at Juneau, Alaska, this 14th day of September, 2007. 
 
 

/s/Sarah Palin
Governor
     


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Ah, nice. What about :

 

Palin Not Convinced on Global Warming

By Matthew Mosk and Juliet Eilperin
Some scientists believe Alaska will be among the first to feel the impact of global warming, but Sarah Palin told voters there she wasn't sure climate change wasn't simply part of a natural warming cycle.

"I will not pretend to have all the answers," Palin said about global warming, according to the Anchorage Daily News. Her spokesman clarified at the time that "she's not totally convinced one way or the other. Science will tell us ... She thinks the jury's still out."

Palin shared her views in the run-up to the 2006 governor's race, at an Alaska Federation of Natives convention, where delegates passed a resolution calling for a mandatory reduction in pollution affecting the atmosphere.

Answering a question from the Daily News, Palin cautioned against "overreaction."

Those were among the comments that brought condemnation today from Greenpeace to her selection as Sen. John McCain's running mate on the Republican ticket. The environmental group's Alaska Global Warming Campaigner, Melanie Duchin, described Palin as "one of the most anti-environment records of any governor in the United States."

"She has supported oil drilling in some of the most ecologically sensitive areas in Alaska, even when it meant sacrificing polar bears, beluga whales, and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge," Duchin's statement said.

"Despite her advocacy for expanded oil and gas drilling, Palin has done almost nothing to promote the clean energy sources that can help solve global warming, which is already having major negative consequences in her state," Duchin said.

In an interview released by Newsmax magazine today, Palin said that while she recognized her state would be affected by climate change, that didn't mean humans are responsible.

"A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location," she said. "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."

Palin's comments stand in sharp contrast to those of McCain, who says at every campaign stop that he believes human activity is driving global warming,

 

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/29/palin_not_convinced_on_global.html

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"Comparison between the change in the global temperature (red line), the Carbon Dioxide Concentration (blue line), and the sample tree ring (green line) from 800 AD to 2005 (AD). As you can see, what took only 150 years during the Medieval Period of Global Warming has taken 200 years in our Industrial Era. This means that the current Global Warming is rising SLOWER than during the Medieval Age. Besides, our Global Warming is LOWER than that of the Medieval Period. A further characteristic is that the warmest phase in the Medieval Period lasted about 190 years, whereas the warmest period of the contemporary Global Warming lasted merely 3 years (from 1997 to 1998), with its highest point in 1998. This evidence demonstrates that the Global Warming is a cyclic natural phenomenon."

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it's ok. all computer components have clearly dotted lines along which you can cut* to make smaller.

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"I will not pretend to have all the answers," Palin said about global warming, according to the Anchorage Daily News. Her spokesman clarified at the time that "she's not totally convinced one way or the other. Science will tell us ... She thinks the jury's still out." 

 

"She has supported oil drilling in some of the most ecologically sensitive areas in Alaska, even when it meant sacrificing polar bears, beluga whales, and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge," Duchin's statement said.

Actually she is a big advocate of some of the low impact directional drilling technology being used in Alaska.  Just so it's clear where the drilling will take place, the first two pictures below are from environmentalist websites against drilling in Awar

 

This is the actual are where they will be drilling.

 

Despite her advocacy for expanded oil and gas drilling, Palin has done almost nothing to promote the clean energy sources that can help solve global warming, which is already having major negative consequences in her state," Duchin said.

Uh, natural gas is one of the clean burning alternatives energies.

 

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BadHorsie wrote:

Ah, nice. What about :

 

Palin Not Convinced on Global Warming

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How do you go from "Palin not convinced" and "I will not pretend to have all the answers" to "Palin does not believe in global warming"?  Is it a simple matter of accept the Word Of Gore or you are a heretic?  If you must declare a debate over, then maybe it's not.

Some scientists say the warming may be caused by changes in the sun, or ocean currents, or changes in cloud cover, or other things we don't understand. If it's all man's fault, why did the Arctic go through a warm period early last century? Why did Greenland's temperatures rise 50 percent faster in the 1920s than they are rising now?


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No.  It's not getting warmer everywhere all over the world.  The question is framed poorly.  Temperatures are in constant flux.
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