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So about a week ago I upgraded my motherboard, processor, and RAM. Prior to this I had already bought a EVGA 8800GTX, and had tried multiple times to upgrade (downgrade?) to Vista. I could usually get the system up and running, but due to some sort of driver issue my system would often time out while accessing my hard drives. No biggie, my chipset wasn't really designed for Vista anyway.
I also had a strange issue while playing modern games like Bioshock and Crysis; after about 30-40 minutes of playing, the game would freeze, the sound would loop continuously, and after about 10 seconds my monitor would lose the signal to the video card. No amount of fancy keyboard combinations would cause my computer to snap out of it, I had to hold down the power button to reset it. Increasing the fan speed on my video card would usually extend the amount of time I could play before freezing, but it never was completely fixed. I went back to Windows XP and never had another issue; aside from the occasional game freezing due to having not turned off my computer for days at a time.
Fast forward to this week, where I have shiny new hardware that runs without a hitch on Vista. Except for one thing. I still get the sound loop/no signal freeze. I have the latest drivers, and I downloaded Service Pack 1 and all available Vista hotfixes. I haven't really played much Bioshock or Crysis lately, but I've definitely been on TF2 a lot, and unfortunately the crash also happens in TF2. I'm almost positive this is a software issue, because this never happens in XP or Linux, and the card would be displaying different symptoms if it was overheating. And I don't really want to have to go back and reinstall XP, because there are certain features of the hardware that are only available in Vista.
I've searched the internet for solutions, and it appears that this is a fairly common issue, though no one yet really seems to have a working solution.
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Sounds like overheat to me. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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Oopsie wrote:Sounds like overheat to me. Yeah, but this thing can operate safely up to 80 degrees celsius. The warmest I've ever seen it get was 79, and that was while running ATI Tool to intentionally stress test it. I had hoped that by purchasing a Thermaltake Armor VA8000BWS that heat and airflow would never be a problem. If it is a heat problem, I'd like to punch the Microsoft programmer responsible for making my computer overheat.
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Power supplies, processors, video cards, memory, north/south bridges all generate heat. Your video card may have a loose heat sink. Not sure how that makes it Microsoft's programmers fault, but we have to find a way to sleep, right? If it is running at 79 C, you need to find out why it is so high, because that is NOT good. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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MarioMario wrote: Fast forward to this week, where I have shiny new hardware that runs without a hitch on Vista. Except for one thing. I still get the sound loop/no signal freeze. I have the latest drivers, and I downloaded Service Pack 1 and all available Vista hotfixes. I haven't really played much Bioshock or Crysis lately, but I've definitely been on TF2 a lot, and unfortunately the crash also happens in TF2. I'm almost positive this is a software issue, because this never happens in XP or Linux, and the card would be displaying different symptoms if it was overheating. And I don't really want to have to go back and reinstall XP, because there are certain features of the hardware that are only available in Vista.
I've searched the internet for solutions, and it appears that this is a fairly common issue, though no one yet really seems to have a working solution.
Slow down some. You provided waaay too much information and left some important things out. First of all list your hardware(mb/ram/videocard). Next what are your cpu/gpu temps? Please explain what you call the loop/no signal freeze. You mean the game locks up and the audio loops?
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if it is a heat thing you mit want to try this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106112
but i have the same box and i dont think is air flow problem it mit be a sound drive thing check and see if they are updates for your soundcard or onbord sound Yes its time again to Play WTF did Murdy Just type Robot Hell is real and i cant spell yes im dyslexic WDF? wrote:lol fuck you, Murdy. BadHorsie wrote: I love it!
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Oopsie wrote:Power supplies, processors, video cards, memory, north/south bridges all generate heat. Your video card may have a loose heat sink. Not sure how that makes it Microsoft's programmers fault, but we have to find a way to sleep, right? If it is running at 79 C, you need to find out why it is so high, because that is NOT good. The card idles at 57 C, which I assume to be normal. It only gets up to 70 most of the time, 79 if I intentionally stress the hell out of it.
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HeXploiT wrote:MarioMario wrote: Fast forward to this week, where I have shiny new hardware that runs without a hitch on Vista. Except for one thing. I still get the sound loop/no signal freeze. I have the latest drivers, and I downloaded Service Pack 1 and all available Vista hotfixes. I haven't really played much Bioshock or Crysis lately, but I've definitely been on TF2 a lot, and unfortunately the crash also happens in TF2. I'm almost positive this is a software issue, because this never happens in XP or Linux, and the card would be displaying different symptoms if it was overheating. And I don't really want to have to go back and reinstall XP, because there are certain features of the hardware that are only available in Vista.
I've searched the internet for solutions, and it appears that this is a fairly common issue, though no one yet really seems to have a working solution.
Slow down some. You provided waaay too much information and left some important things out. First of all list your hardware(mb/ram/videocard). Next what are your cpu/gpu temps? Please explain what you call the loop/no signal freeze. You mean the game locks up and the audio loops? ASRock P45R2000, Intel Core 2 Duo E7200, 2GB DDR3 1066, GeForce 8800GTX. CPU idles at about 45 C, GPU idles at 57 C. When I play a game like TF2, the game will freeze, the sound starts looping, and after ten seconds the monitor loses the signal to the video card, and the sound continues to loop. Also, this only happens in Vista.
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I've considered getting one of those. I like how it's cheaper than the famous Thermalright HR-03 and even does a better job at keeping it cool. Sound card drivers are up to date, so if it's a sound issue there probably isn't a fix. So far I've been able to avoid crashing by turning up the fan speed on my GPU, and that seemed to work perfectly yesterday. But I also didn't play TF2 for more than about an hour and a half at a time, so the issue may still be present.
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Your temps are within acceptable levels. 79c really isn't that bad for an 8800 series card. I'm assuming that your power supply is ample. Sound like one of those issues that will be rather difficult to pinpoint. Fairly common with vista. I generally recommend that people run dual boot xp/vista and run vista only when playing DX10 games just because vista does have so many issues with newer videocards.
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HeXploiT wrote:Your temps are within acceptable levels. 79c really isn't that bad for an 8800 series card. I'm assuming that your power supply is ample. Sound like one of those issues that will be rather difficult to pinpoint. Fairly common with vista. I generally recommend that people run dual boot xp/vista and run vista only when playing DX10 games just because vista does have so many issues with newer videocards. Get over the Vista and video card issues folks. Drivers are now mature enough. I have run Vista for a year and never had any issues and I have an 8800 card. Vista does utilize your memory better and uses more of it to improve performance. I still think it is a heat issue. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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Oopsie wrote:HeXploiT wrote:Your temps are within acceptable levels. 79c really isn't that bad for an 8800 series card. I'm assuming that your power supply is ample. Sound like one of those issues that will be rather difficult to pinpoint. Fairly common with vista. I generally recommend that people run dual boot xp/vista and run vista only when playing DX10 games just because vista does have so many issues with newer videocards. Get over the Vista and video card issues folks. Drivers are now mature enough. I have run Vista for a year and never had any issues and I have an 8800 card. Vista does utilize your memory better and uses more of it to improve performance. I still think it is a heat issue. That makes me think that maybe it's a stability issue with my card. It is factory overclocked by EVGA, and turning up my fan speed has made an impact. I guess any signs of instability I had in XP were negligible because of XP's architecture, whereas Vista could be amplifying it because it uses more of the card's memory. If it crashes again I'll set the clock speed to the normal setting for an 8800GTX.
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Oopsie wrote:HeXploiT wrote:Your temps are within acceptable levels. 79c really isn't that bad for an 8800 series card. I'm assuming that your power supply is ample. Sound like one of those issues that will be rather difficult to pinpoint. Fairly common with vista. I generally recommend that people run dual boot xp/vista and run vista only when playing DX10 games just because vista does have so many issues with newer videocards. Get over the Vista and video card issues folks. Drivers are now mature enough. I have run Vista for a year and never had any issues and I have an 8800 card. Vista does utilize your memory better and uses more of it to improve performance. I still think it is a heat issue. Yeah ok. lol Nevermind that I work on these systems every single day and see these problems repeatedly. Please don't start another "Vista is king" debate. I'm not dissing vista so just cool your jets. Yes vista does still have issues but it doesn't have near the support and roots that xp does so this is to be expected. It took xp a good few years to become "very stable" and it will be the same for vista(or windows 7 as it will be known).
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HeXploiT wrote:Oopsie wrote:HeXploiT wrote:Your temps are within acceptable levels. 79c really isn't that bad for an 8800 series card. I'm assuming that your power supply is ample. Sound like one of those issues that will be rather difficult to pinpoint. Fairly common with vista. I generally recommend that people run dual boot xp/vista and run vista only when playing DX10 games just because vista does have so many issues with newer videocards. Get over the Vista and video card issues folks. Drivers are now mature enough. I have run Vista for a year and never had any issues and I have an 8800 card. Vista does utilize your memory better and uses more of it to improve performance. I still think it is a heat issue. Yeah ok. lol Nevermind that I work on these systems every single day and see these problems repeatedly. Please don't start another "Vista is king" debate. I'm not dissing vista so just cool your jets. Yes vista does still have issues but it doesn't have near the support and roots that xp does so this is to be expected. It took xp a good few years to become "very stable" and it will be the same for vista(or windows 7 as it will be known). Sorry about the Vista rant. I was low on caffiene. As for the PC issue, you are not the only one that deals with computers and their problems everyday. Ever see the HD issue where it works perfectly fine, at 1/10th the speed? It is the strangest thing. It reads and writes and no bad sectors, but it takes FOREVAR to do anything: image, copy files, log into, image to a different OS, etc. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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Oopsie wrote:HeXploiT wrote:Oopsie wrote:HeXploiT wrote:Your temps are within acceptable levels. 79c really isn't that bad for an 8800 series card. I'm assuming that your power supply is ample. Sound like one of those issues that will be rather difficult to pinpoint. Fairly common with vista. I generally recommend that people run dual boot xp/vista and run vista only when playing DX10 games just because vista does have so many issues with newer videocards. Get over the Vista and video card issues folks. Drivers are now mature enough. I have run Vista for a year and never had any issues and I have an 8800 card. Vista does utilize your memory better and uses more of it to improve performance. I still think it is a heat issue. Yeah ok. lol Nevermind that I work on these systems every single day and see these problems repeatedly. Please don't start another "Vista is king" debate. I'm not dissing vista so just cool your jets. Yes vista does still have issues but it doesn't have near the support and roots that xp does so this is to be expected. It took xp a good few years to become "very stable" and it will be the same for vista(or windows 7 as it will be known). Sorry about the Vista rant. I was low on caffiene. As for the PC issue, you are not the only one that deals with computers and their problems everyday. Ever see the HD issue where it works perfectly fine, at 1/10th the speed? It is the strangest thing. It reads and writes and no bad sectors, but it takes FOREVAR to do anything: image, copy files, log into, image to a different OS, etc. Not exactly but assuming this is happening outside the OS and not just in a windows environment I would immediately start checking cables & jumper settings.
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