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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:Have you ever gone out on a boat and fucked whalers?
I think he was trying to say how generally pathetic thier efforts are. I watched the Sea Shepards show on discovery for a while, thinking that it would be awesome to see them attacking and foiling the Japs attempts at whaling. Instead, I watch episode after episode of them failing completely and alot of the time looking like halfbrained idiot neo-tree hugger who left port without a real plan. 1. Get some ships. 2. Find whalers. 3. ????? 4. moral Profit! Watch the show if you dont believe me. They are crewed with untrained and unexperienced volunteers. They are unprepared for actually executing their plans on the water, have no navigation experienced boat pilots and frequently get lost and separated from the mothership when making attack runs, and have no back up plans for the countermeasures the whalers had devised. They fly under a dutch flag, with a ships that are too slow (except for this now destroyed speed boat), and are forced to follow international maritime laws that prevent them from using thier few attack options from the bow of the mother ship. (even though they later defied those rules anyway.) which makes me think that I dont understand why they never used thier helicopter to "bomb" the ships. (probably another restriction the dutch enforce) or maybe just fear of the Japs firing on the helicopter...i dunno. They need to hire some real fucking consultants who can come up with a plan and ideas or tactics to actually save some whales...instead of just following the fleet around and watching as Whales are harpooned and cut into pieces as they watch (crying).
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Lead Salad wrote:A pansy is someone who goes out on a boat and doesn't fuck whalers. thanks bragr
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Giller [GwDR wrote:]I think he was trying to say how generally pathetic thier efforts are.
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They need to hire some real fucking consultants who can come up with a plan and ideas or tactics to actually save some whales...instead of just following the fleet around and watching as Whales are harpooned and cut into pieces as they watch (crying). I agree they could use much more effective tactics but they are committed to not harming humans so that is a bit limiting. In the past they have sunk 10 ships through ramming, limpet mines, and straight up sabotage. These days the worst they do is stink bombs and prop fouling, which works pretty well. They fucked the whalers hard during last years hunt by contaminating their death factory ship with stink bombs. Hundreds of whales were saved from being brutally murdered. I'd like to see them get serious about sinking these fuckers but they are backed by the Japanese government so that gets into very dangerous territory. The Japanese have clearly been upping the ante, they are doing everything they can to pimp out their whaling fleet, get it to Antarctica as stealthily as possible, and this year even hired a fleet of spy planes in Australia to track the Sea Shepherd fleet. They are out there trying to hide their illegal whale slaughter from the world while constantly hunted by a bunch of crazy people with futuristic boats being as obnoxious as possible with a film crew making a TV show out of the whole thing. It's about as fucking hardcore as you can get in a media war against Japanese whalers. Now that the Japanese are trying to murder them that kind of takes it beyond a media war though, so yeah it is time for some new ideas and tactics. Get an icebreaker out there. Buy a fucking Russian sub. Bribe whoever services the whaler's ships to sabotage any that make it back to port in one piece. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.  
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Giller [GwDR wrote:]I think he was trying to say how generally pathetic thier efforts are. I watched the Sea Shepards show on discovery for a while, thinking that it would be awesome to see them attacking and foiling the Japs attempts at whaling. Instead, I watch episode after episode of them failing completely and alot of the time looking like halfbrained idiot neo-tree hugger who left port without a real plan.
1. Get some ships.
2. Find whalers.
3. ?????
4. moral Profit!
Watch the show if you dont believe me. They are crewed with untrained and unexperienced volunteers. They are unprepared for actually executing their plans on the water, have no navigation experienced boat pilots and frequently get lost and separated from the mothership when making attack runs, and have no back up plans for the countermeasures the whalers had devised.
They fly under a dutch flag, with a ships that are too slow (except for this now destroyed speed boat), and are forced to follow international maritime laws that prevent them from using thier few attack options from the bow of the mother ship. (even though they later defied those rules anyway.) which makes me think that I dont understand why they never used thier helicopter to "bomb" the ships. (probably another restriction the dutch enforce) or maybe just fear of the Japs firing on the helicopter...i dunno.
They need to hire some real fucking consultants who can come up with a plan and ideas or tactics to actually save some whales...instead of just following the fleet around and watching as Whales are harpooned and cut into pieces as they watch (crying). Thanks gill. Nonviolence worked for Ghandi and Martin because most people can't look at their fellow man and hurt him when he doesn't fight back. Want to defend nature? Better be a hardass cause nature is already pretty much nonviolent and we've been kicking its ass for centuries. They should have looked to Tyler Durden.
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Lead Salad wrote:Thanks gill.
Nonviolence worked for Ghandi and Martin because most people can't look at their fellow man and hurt him when he doesn't fight back. Want to defend nature? Better be a hardass cause nature is already pretty much nonviolent and we've been kicking its ass for centuries.
They should have looked to Tyler Durden. Nonviolence worked for them because there were people willing to fuck shit up and they presented a palatable alternative. Gandhi would of been nothing without groups like the Ghadar organizing revolutionary violence against the British. They fucking assassinated a British MP in the heart of London, 100% hardcore! And seriously, Martin Luther King? The ballot or the bullet! Where would he be without black militants there to scare whitey? Nature is violent. Human nature particularly so. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.
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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:Nonviolence worked for them because there were people willing to fuck shit up and they presented a palatable alternative. Gandhi would of been nothing without groups like the Ghadar organizing revolutionary violence against the British. They fucking assassinated a British MP in the heart of London, 100% hardcore!
And seriously, Martin Luther King? The ballot or the bullet! Where would he be without black militants there to scare whitey?
Nature is violent. Human nature particularly so.
Tell it to your liberal pansy friends, I have no problem taking cats out. PLO style.
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