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I don't know what places you were looking at, but the 7900GTX retailed for around 600 USD (assuming you get the XXX edition, cheaper otherwise), and the ATI X1900XTX retailed for 649USD.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/315/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/340/
The ATI card is still in the market, and the current price for it is anywhere from 450-550 USD, and same with the 7900GTX, if you can find it.
Find me those resources that show how it is significantly cheaper when they were competing.
It's simply a give and take, ATI has better overclocking, Nvidia cards are a lot quieter with healther pipe coolers. With DX10 so close, I wouldn't go with either. If anything I would go for the next series of releases which allows DX10 through software updates, or 8800 which supports it natively. I don't know if any of the ATI have DX10 native cards yet.
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Good Stuff, this turned out to be a active topic.
shignog, I guess you and I have had bad luck with ATI cards. I feel I should give Nvidia a try. In the past I had a GeForce 4 420MX card which now and at that time 2003, known as crap; it was the only nvidia card that I've had. My friends tell me that nvidia is the better buy, so there's where I got my decision.
ATI has a new card that is in the making and looks like it maybe ready in a month; trying to compete with the 8800 (DX10 compatible)
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Loneofficier wrote:
In the past I had a GeForce 4 420MX card which now and at that time 2003, known as crap
lol, i still have that. yeah it's a pile of turd, but i'm gonna wait another while to upgrade the wole rig at once, rather than buying just a card. i prefer nvidia cards though, they have a better looking company logo.  yeah, i'm a cranky 'oul fucker. deal with it.
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When it comes down to it, getting the card from the company you're the most used to is going to be the most helpful. There are competing cards in each market which will be fine for anyone. {pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name
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I don't know what places you were looking at, but the 7900GTX retailed for around 600 USD (assuming you get the XXX edition, cheaper otherwise), and the ATI X1900XTX retailed for 649USD.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/315/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/340/
The ATI card is still in the market, and the current price for it is anywhere from 450-550 USD, and same with the 7900GTX, if you can find it.
Find me those resources that show how it is significantly cheaper when they were competing.
It's simply a give and take, ATI has better overclocking, Nvidia cards are a lot quieter with healther pipe coolers. With DX10 so close, I wouldn't go with either. If anything I would go for the next series of releases which allows DX10 through software updates, or 8800 which supports it natively. I don't know if any of the ATI have DX10 native cards yet.
MSRP doesn't reflect market price I scored a X1900XTX about two months after release for $400 shipped while 7900GTX's were still going for $500+ because of the whole "memory shortage" for Nvidia. But I did end up selling the XTX for a cheaper voltmodded 7900GT. Right now you should actually look into a 7900GS rather than an 7600GT since theyre only about 25-50 bucks more expensive and will mop the floor with a 7600GT. If you're willing to go for something better, you should look into getting a 7900GT because they're overclocking beasts. I had one before my 7900GTO and with only 1.4V being pumped into the core I got 691/901 clocks from the original 500/800.
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yea buzz, 7900 series would be better than 7600....i may consider....it's just I feel that I would be changing video cards frequently...I can only afford so much each time.
About overclocking...I am a harsh noob at that and would like a clear tutorials to doing that. I really want to try overclocking CPU's, Video Cards, RAM....but have no clue how to....cause I know the risks...and i'm shakey to even try without proper training. Anyone know a good tutorial site for that.....simple clear and accurate? {pDs} *LoneOfficier*"...crossbow+lone....unseparable....!"-LoneOfficier
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Loneofficier wrote:
yea buzz, 7900 series would be better than 7600....i may consider....it's just I feel that I would be changing video cards frequently...I can only afford so much each time.
About overclocking...I am a harsh noob at that and would like a clear tutorials to doing that. I really want to try overclocking CPU's, Video Cards, RAM....but have no clue how to....cause I know the risks...and i'm shakey to even try without proper training. Anyone know a good tutorial site for that.....simple clear and accurate?
re: CPU/RAM Overclocking, It depends on what hardware you have. If you have a common motherboard someone may have written a guide specific to it. If not, google for your processor name + "overclock guide" and I'm sure you will find what you need. It's honestly not that risky unless you overvolt. I've run some CPUs at absurd temps and the worst that happens is the heat protect gets triggered and the system powers itself off. Maybe the CPUs lifespan has been shortened, but who the fuck runs a CPU for more than a few years? Re: Video card overclocking - it's really easy. If you're running an nvidia GPU google for "coolbits". Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.  
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Awesome, thanks Dick.
Do you know if I can overclock Dell Computers or how about a custom-built PC with Asrock Mobo and AM2 Processor AMD Athlon 3800+? {pDs} *LoneOfficier*"...crossbow+lone....unseparable....!"-LoneOfficier
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Loneofficier wrote:
Awesome, thanks Dick.
Do you know if I can overclock Dell Computers or how about a custom-built PC with Asrock Mobo and AM2 Processor AMD Athlon 3800+?
Dell - probably not. I stay away from the big OEM machines as much as possible these days so it may not be true anymore. It used to be that almost none of them could be overclocked - the BIOS usually won't allow for it. The few I've seen that could sucked at overclocking, they were full of such shit parts that the second they ran out of spec they would get really unstable. It could be things have changed. Figure out what motherboard the Dell has and google it, you'll find out quick if it can be overclocked. Asrock - they are the "budget" division of Asus. I have an ASRock 939dual running an A64 and it overclocks great. It doesn't have as many advanced features as a true overclocker board but it's got enough to push my 1.8ghz CPU to 2.3ghz without issue. If I had better cooling and/or RAM I'm sure I could push it further. Compared to the old days when you had to fuck with jumpers and couldn't overvolt without a soldering gun it's a great overclocker. I'm not familiar with other ASRock boards, but I'd be surprised if any of them didn't let you overclock at least a little bit. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.
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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:Loneofficier wrote:
Awesome, thanks Dick.
Do you know if I can overclock Dell Computers or how about a custom-built PC with Asrock Mobo and AM2 Processor AMD Athlon 3800+?
Dell - probably not. I stay away from the big OEM machines as much as possible these days so it may not be true anymore. It used to be that almost none of them could be overclocked - the BIOS usually won't allow for it. The few I've seen that could sucked at overclocking, they were full of such shit parts that the second they ran out of spec they would get really unstable. It could be things have changed. Figure out what motherboard the Dell has and google it, you'll find out quick if it can be overclocked. Asrock - they are the "budget" division of Asus. I have an ASRock 939dual running an A64 and it overclocks great. It doesn't have as many advanced features as a true overclocker board but it's got enough to push my 1.8ghz CPU to 2.3ghz without issue. If I had better cooling and/or RAM I'm sure I could push it further. Compared to the old days when you had to fuck with jumpers and couldn't overvolt without a soldering gun it's a great overclocker. I'm not familiar with other ASRock boards, but I'd be surprised if any of them didn't let you overclock at least a little bit.
Sweet...I have a Dimension 8250 Dell P4 2.4Ghz with RDRAM (lol) but at least I can still run HL2! Yea I had a feeling I couldn't overclock...no options in the BIOS....
For the Asrock one, I guess all I can do is search for overclocking, because I tried adjusting the temp/volts etc. with its 'user-friendly' overclocking feature in its bios, but I looked like I only raised the speed from 2.4 to 2.45 lol....
Thanks a lot Dick...very helpful! {pDs} *LoneOfficier*"...crossbow+lone....unseparable....!"-LoneOfficier
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i have a friend that has a dell and he has a 2.8 dc and the only thing he can change is if his floppy dirve is on or of, and he bought a 512 mb video card and the dell mb only see's 256 of it. WDF?: I found a hot girl WDF?: Who lets me WDF?: Drink WDF?: Smoke WDF?: And play video games WDF?: ALL DAY shignog: and in the back door? WDF?: She's back door compatible WDF?: And it comes enabled by default WDF?: I need to teach sirus a lesson WDF?: Oh wait WDF?: That's called gay shignog: if there is a girl there its bi WDF?: lol WDF?: ok shignog: so its not so gay WDF?: Good enough
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shignog wrote:i have a friend that has a dell and he has a 2.8 dc and the only thing he can change is if his floppy dirve is on or of, and he bought a 512 mb video card and the dell mb only see's 256 of it.
Yea I know, mine is just like that...BIOS only allows up to 256 Dedicated Memory for video card...no higher option...so that's y I invested only on a 256MB Vid. card.....During christmas i want to make a new comp for myself...and that's y I initially asked what video card is ideal.
Dell is good, I like their customer service; however, it's hell to try to upgrade it....so much problems!! Especially for someone like me that enjoys upgrading, Dell's are like a brick wall...so I now choose to custom build my rigs. {pDs} *LoneOfficier*"...crossbow+lone....unseparable....!"-LoneOfficier
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