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#16 Posted: : Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:59:09 AM
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Alright....personally, I happen to agree with you in pretty much all cases here.....Politics in the US has turned to shit....photo ops and sound bites....no one cares enough to pay attention anymore, or if they do, its simply to point out the flaws in the other side of the aisle as done by so man pundits on all news stations....

That said....I support Obama....and his message of change.  Why?  Not because I actually believe that he will change anything, but because the movement he has started, and his, somewhat obsequious, mentions of class and class conflict, will hopefully wake people up to the way free market capitalism works.....Shit on the working man, gold for the elites.  Hopefully, whatever comes of this election, the movement of the poor will continue, and they will continue to stand up for themselves, forcing the government to actually listen to the working man for once.

Socialist... Go back to Sweden. Captialism is what built this country and now that the free market is under attack by people like obama and hillary and yes, even mccain, our economy is in the shitter. Change is not the answer. Hope is definately not the answer. Shrinking the gov't is the answer. Lowering taxes and shutting down special interest beauracracies would go a lot farther to help the working man than to have a socialist like barack obama come into power and start raising taxes across the board. Raising taxes does nothing but give the gov't more money from us to WASTE! the only place money is made to work to its fullest capacity is in the private sector, where real effects of how that money is spent is fealt. if they fuck up the investment, the company is ruined, If the gov't fucks up the investment, tax the citizens more and go on to next line item. We don't have money to waste and every day we give more and more of it to our sleezy politicians who end up doing nothing and ask to be reelected. and when the economy is in the shitter because of all this socialistic wasting of tax dollars, the WORKING MAN IS THE ONE WHO FEELS IT THE WORST! how about lower prices for the working man? wouldn't that help him through his daily grind a little bit more than having gov't programs try to cater to his needs that will ultimately go unfulfilled and will require further gov't interaction to resolve?

The fundamental part of free market capitalism that make it so attractive and actually work is its incentive to succeed. If you succeed, you become wealthy and lead a better life, and if you fail, like in nature, you perish. Its survival of the fittest, just like out in the wild. The world isn't a utopian place. Not everyone can succeed as not everyone has something to provide to the world. It's kind of like feeding the squirells at the park. It makes you feel warm and toasty to see it come up and grab that peanut out of your hand but while YOU feel great about yourself and can rest at night on those warm fuzzy feelings, that squirell no longer feels the need to gather food on its own and actually work for its survival. it knows that some guy will sit at the bench the next day and feed him more peanuts. Then, when homie can't afford to buy peanuts because he has to pay 5.00 a gallon for gas, squirell dies cuz it has forgetten how to forage for food.

I know you all want to appear nice and friendly and kindhearted but socialism is not the answer to making the world a better place. Unless inefficiency and bloated wasteful do-nothing gov't beauracracies are your ideas of a better world.



This is one of the stupidest most ignorant things I have ever read. With as much time as I have spent on this forum over the years that says alot.

Its not really a surprise that this would be writtenthe person who uses his signature for free commercial advertising purposes on a forum paid for through the generosity of others.
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#17 Posted: : Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:00:18 AM
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eh i just assumed Gnar has been out on a mission to piss off as many people as possible over the last few days, so ive just started totally disregarding anything he has to say.
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#18 Posted: : Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:52:05 PM
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While the political system is quite annoying with its constant ads and mud-slinging, I'm glad I live in a country that allows the freedom we have.  I can't say I like politics because I think until people can stop the hating, lies, and investing millions on becoming President, we will have problems in this country.  I would gain a lot more respect for all of the candidates if they  stopped being so negative towards their opponent.
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#19 Posted: : Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:34:20 AM
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#20 Posted: : Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:58:22 PM
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Ciao Time wrote:
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In the immortal words of George Carlin, voting is an illusion of choice.


I like Carlin a lot but he is wrong about that in a lot of ways. As broken as democratic processes are in our country voting does still make a difference.


In the words of a wise man (Tom Morello), American democracy is inverted when what passes for democracy is an electoral choice between two representatives of the privileged class.


America is a Constitutional Republic.  So everyone is wrong when they throw "democracy" around.
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#21 Posted: : Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:46:49 AM
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RichardAwesome wrote:
Ciao Time wrote:
Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:
Lead Salad wrote:
In the immortal words of George Carlin, voting is an illusion of choice.


I like Carlin a lot but he is wrong about that in a lot of ways. As broken as democratic processes are in our country voting does still make a difference.


In the words of a wise man (Tom Morello), American democracy is inverted when what passes for democracy is an electoral choice between two representatives of the privileged class.


America is a Constitutional Republic.  So everyone is wrong when they throw "democracy" around.


Actually, America is a Representative Democracy. Not direct democracy, but representative of the people via elected officials expected to carry the voice of the masses. An important note to mention when the president seems to not give a shit about what the majority of the country actually wants.
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#22 Posted: : Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:27:02 PM
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HolyJaw wrote:
RichardAwesome wrote:
Ciao Time wrote:
Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:
Lead Salad wrote:
In the immortal words of George Carlin, voting is an illusion of choice.


I like Carlin a lot but he is wrong about that in a lot of ways. As broken as democratic processes are in our country voting does still make a difference.


In the words of a wise man (Tom Morello), American democracy is inverted when what passes for democracy is an electoral choice between two representatives of the privileged class.


America is a Constitutional Republic.  So everyone is wrong when they throw "democracy" around.


Actually, America is a Representative Democracy. Not direct democracy, but representative of the people via elected officials expected to carry the voice of the masses. An important note to mention when the president seems to not give a shit about what the majority of the country actually wants.


A republic is a representative government.

The Constitution is the primary "law of the land".

Hence, Constitutional Republic.  It's not a democracy because majority doesn't rule.  Direct democracy is a redundant term. It's either a democracy or it's not.

Our government is set up to prevent the "tyranny of the majority".
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#23 Posted: : Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:11:44 PM
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It's all semantics, America is still hegemonic empire in the end.
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#24 Posted: : Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:14:14 PM
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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:
It's all semantics, America is still hegemonic empire in the end.


bollocks. America is a giant robot fighting terrorism.
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#25 Posted: : Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:41:54 PM
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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:
It's all semantics, America is still hegemonic empire in the end.


I lawled.  No, it's not.
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