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Filliam H. Muffman
#1 Posted: : Monday, January 05, 2009 1:20:49 PM
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Before I get into things, here's a little background, I work at a start-up company. It's a logistics company founded by a bunch of former UPS executives. Up till now, we've had two smaller customers but have been in talks with some large companies for quite some time now. The problem is not that these large potential customers are not interested, it's that the process simply takes a long time. Anyways as time has gone on, we've had to trim some fat i.e. people/assets we don't need, had have been running with just the necessities. Essentially I've been running up the operations side along with another guy. Like any start up, we've been living on investor money until things really get going and we can become profitable...

...well today my boss told me we've run out of cash. The first move he's making is getting rid of the other guy, leaving me to be the main person for pretty much everything (website, technology, operations, you name it). We're also dumping what's been our main technology platform for our one customer for something makeshift. Finally, I'm not getting my paycheck until....? The next move is to find more investor money to keep things rolling. There are some big talks that might come to fruition coming this march, but we might not have enough capital to last that long.

So here's my question. Is it time to jump ship?
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#2 Posted: : Monday, January 05, 2009 2:24:13 PM
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I think it would be irresponsible to not start updating your resume and start looking....You can always turn down offers if things pick up. 

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#3 Posted: : Monday, January 05, 2009 2:32:39 PM
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You need to ask yourself two questions.  Given the current state of the economy, do you see these large customers investing cash and time in a new logistics system?  Look at the financial state of these customers.  You said the process takes a long time so I am assuming a company will need to invest time and maybe consultants to being the system online(I'm thinking it would be similar to bringing SAP online, meaning a real nightmare).  Second,if your investors don't want to put more cash into the startup, why would you?  You need to start looking at least, and when you find something, make your decision. Good luck
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It may not be time to abandon ship, but you better get your space suit on and calculate the easiest path to an escape pod.
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#5 Posted: : Monday, January 05, 2009 5:52:41 PM
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If you're considering it, then yes. Ditto Giller. If you find a dinghy to jump into, stand near that shit. If you don't and the ship ends up sinking, you're fucked. If the ship doesn't sink but you take off and find a better ship, you win.

Disclaimer: This is coming from someone who's 19 and has worked one job.
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Lead Salad wrote:

Disclaimer: This is coming from someone who's 19 and has worked one job.

Lol. 

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#7 Posted: : Monday, January 05, 2009 9:59:58 PM
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On the other end, as someone who's 19 and has worked 9 jobs, here's my idea. Also as someone who most recently worked for a business that went under, much like your place of work is on the brink of doing.

Start looking. Start making calls. If you find an offer better than where you are now, jump ship right then (with proper 2 weeks).

Budget yourself to save up a cushion in case things head south and you're out of a job sooner than you planned.

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#8 Posted: : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:09:56 AM
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You should consider consulting with an employment lawyer in your area.  That deal about not getting a paycheck is bullshit.

It's about the money, and there's a potential for it getting worse.  As long as you get your paycheck you can live.  When that doesn't come, you can't live.  You need to take care of #1.  You. 

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#9 Posted: : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:29:33 AM
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You need to take care of #1.  You.


Ayn Rand much?
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Lead Salad wrote:
Cantrip wrote:
You need to take care of #1.  You.


Ayn Rand much?


That's a pretty rampant misrepresentation of a Randite point of view, man. It's not so much that each man is an island and therefore must look after himself only, but that success comes from only you - you can't rely on others (and shouldn't.) When everyone in the world learns to live up to their highest individual potential, then collaboration can begin and we will find ourselves in a utopia.

In regards to the original post; look man. The company's going under and you have no investors looking at you and no new potential customers. THere's optimism and there's realism and only one will get you fed next week. It's sad but true. Keep an eye out and stay on the fence till the writing on the wall gets a bit more clear, but don't get caught with your pants down.
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#11 Posted: : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:35:28 PM
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Thanks for the advice guys, it's a strange feeling being in this situation. In a way, you're all right. I need to start researching a backup plan be it grad school or a job elsewhere. I think for now sitting on the fence is the right plan. Although the situation is dire, this might be a storm the company can ride out. I think I'll know where things are going by the end of the month/mid Feb. Keep your fingers crossed.
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#12 Posted: : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:53:10 PM
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Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
Thanks for the advice guys, it's a strange feeling being in this situation. In a way, you're all right. I need to start researching a backup plan be it grad school or a job elsewhere. I think for now sitting on the fence is the right plan. Although the situation is dire, this might be a storm the company can ride out. I think I'll know where things are going by the end of the month/mid Feb. Keep your fingers crossed.


I think it's wise for you to stay with the company, for sure until you get another job.  If anything, you don't want them to get the impression that you're not going to stick with them if an issue like this arises.  Companies value loyalty.  You never know, you may be in a situation one day where you need a job and turn to this place again, so it's always good to leave with good intentions if you do have to leave.

I think you just need to keep an eye out for opportunities and at least have an idea of where you can start if shit were to hit the fan.  That step alone is one of the biggest pains in job hunting - finding the place to work (another big step being actually landing the job).
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#13 Posted: : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:16:16 PM
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HolyJaw wrote:
Lead Salad wrote:
Cantrip wrote:
You need to take care of #1.  You.


Ayn Rand much?


That's a pretty rampant misrepresentation of a Randite point of view, man. It's not so much that each man is an island and therefore must look after himself only, but that success comes from only you - you can't rely on others (and shouldn't.) When everyone in the world learns to live up to their highest individual potential, then collaboration can begin and we will find ourselves in a utopia.

In regards to the original post; look man. The company's going under and you have no investors looking at you and no new potential customers. THere's optimism and there's realism and only one will get you fed next week. It's sad but true. Keep an eye out and stay on the fence till the writing on the wall gets a bit more clear, but don't get caught with your pants down.


Not really. The original sentence was short anyways, it's not like I'm saying all connotations of that sentence represent objectivism, but anyways self-reliance means not only self-servitude but not being subservient to anyone else. whatever I'm going to miss my bus
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#14 Posted: : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:55:38 PM
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If they cannot pay you, it's time to get another job.  Don't work for free unless you're a partner in the venture.

If they want you bad enough, then they need to offer you an interest in the company as an alternative to a regular paycheck.

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#15 Posted: : Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:13:28 PM
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virus wrote:

If they cannot pay you, it's time to get another job.  Don't work for free unless you're a partner in the venture.

If they want you bad enough, then they need to offer you an interest in the company as an alternative to a regular paycheck.



Quite true.  You do not want to be a pawn.  Not sure your relationship with thee folks, but they could be using you for their ends.
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