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I see.
Well, they're giving it to you. They can't send you a bill for it, so just keep it. You should keep the envelope it came in and all the contents together with the translation. Someone certainly knows a lot about you to send it, or someone is going to great pains to pull off a really good joke. But, probably not.
How strange indeed. You should be more like Cantrip. Twitchy: "I pulled a Cantrip . . ." GivePeaceAChance: "If the Tempest had nipples, I'd pinch that shit." Xylicon: "I'm about to deliver my [Richard] in your face for posting that stupid shit. " WDF?: "He keeps reaming me... night after night... I'm rather sore." GivePeaceAChance: "OMG MY NIPS ARE HARD" llenta: "cantrip, you fail!!!" Filliam H. Muffman: "i'm on top of dick"
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Rank: You're gonna stick that where?

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ITZ A GPS CHIP AND BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU  AKA Shinobi Quote:Kick some giga-butt
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Crass wrote:... Got spam? Got Nazism?  Bike wrote:I like to make werewolf movies. 
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Meh. I went into this one knowing the outcome so whatever, atleast one person realized were i'm coming from. For the more unintelligent people on this forum, well thats too bad if you think morality is something that can be decided.
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Crass wrote:Meh. I went into this one knowing the outcome so whatever, atleast one person realized were i'm coming from. For the more unintelligent people on this forum, well thats too bad if you think morality is something that can be decided. but you're just sounding as if your point is that all immorality can be justified... as in no one has to take personal responsibilities for thier actions...  which i feel is even more wrong... yeah, i'm a cranky 'oul fucker. deal with it.
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I actually wasn't going to get involved because everyone can have an opinion. In fact, I felt bad for crass because, regardless of his opinion, he was being attacked for it.
Then he started bringing a band into the mix. This is where I changed my mind and felt I needed to bring back some old school Nyquil bar rocking.
Crass wrote:
the outlook is Fuck Religion, Fuck World Trade, Fuck Capitalism, and i agree with it along with the rest of my Friends rite here in Philly. So please, rephrase that its not the whole world, BUD.
Interesting. Fuck Religion. While organized religion can be a dangerous tool, there are many religions and beliefs that have done nothing but good to guide and help people spiritually around the world, Your idea of religion (based off of your idol's "fuck Christ: attitude) is that the only religions are about supernatural beings. This is not the wide-spread truth... but then again you'd know that if you didn't rely on a rock band for your information.
Fuck world trade. While I disagree with many policies with our current world trade system, simply "fucking" it isn't going to solve the problem. What amazing solutions to the world trade issue has this wondrous band come up with? I'm pretty sure they've only gotten as far as "World Trade Sucks, Man."
And finally, my favorite of them all, fuck capitalism. This argument comes up over and over again when we hear about punk bands fighting the good fight. Why agree to make an album (which fell short due to their breaking up during the recording of their EP) if not to make money? You can say "so people can hear their music." This argument is flawed. If they were planning on giving the album away for free, or at cost of production, then I'd say they were practicing what they preached. That didn't happen.
Let's check in on our choking victim friends over at Amazon where we find them selling their album for:
Price:
$17.98
Almost $20 for something that cost them $5 tops to produce. My friend, this is called capitalism.
Anyone remember Good Charlotte? That lifestyles of the rich and famous song they wrote? Anyone find it a bit ironic considering they were mad popular at the time with the growing hordes of idiots in this country... and thus making mad money and becoming... rich and famous.
Crass wrote:
Mmmkay... Fuck Christ, mmkay
If we leave the responsibility of tomorrow up to institutions like the World Trade Organization, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, we're dooming ourselves to a future of corporate feudalism and ecological catastrophe
Nothing like kids getting their political and economic knowledge from drugged out musicians who put anti-society symbols on their albums and preach about taking down the corporation... which, interestingly enough, is one and the same with their record label who, prior to their breaking up before releasing their first album, had signed them in hopes of making money. This is called capitalism and thus they were working for the "corporation" themselves.
Take the foil hat off your head. The one thing I can see just as dangerous as organized religion is people getting their information from uneducated, hypocritical, cracked out (Yes, according to the bio they advocate crack use) musicians.
BOOOOOOOOOMSHAKALAKA!
Edit:
The statements above about crack use and other such nonsense were made based on the idea that they were seriously advocating crack use. Upon further investigation it seems they were being sarcastic.
"At the same time they also became infamous for their Satanic imagery and numerous references to the vagrant lifestyle such as crack-smoking, shoplifting, and squatting."
So basically they're no different than Marilyn Manson, but I stand corrected about them using crack.
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WDF? wrote:
So basically they're no different than Marilyn Manson, but I stand corrected about them using crack.
Don't even bring Marilyn Manson into this. He is a real artist, even if he is totally wack a lot of the time. To strangely defend Crass - I think criticizing his stupid punk band for being anti-capitalist while simultaneously engaging in capitalist activities is to misunderstand the tactics used by most contemporary anti-capitalist movements. It's a apocryphal, but Lenin (or Marx, depending on who you ask) said: "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we hang them." Which isn't to say your criticism is necessarily invalid, I don't know anything about his stupid punk band - they may very well be a bunch of hypocritical posers. Most punks are. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.  
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Rank: The Illuminist

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I never said I didn't like Manson.
It was more the "spooky symbols oooooooooo" concept I was trying to put past.
I guess I misunderstand the tactics of anti-capitalist movements.
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Rank: Coathanger Abortion

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WDF? wrote:
I never said I didn't like Manson.
It was more the "spooky symbols oooooooooo" concept I was trying to put past.
I guess I misunderstand the tactics of anti-capitalist movements.
spooky kids need their spooky symbols! Manson's symbolism is at least a step or three beyond the half-assed "ooh let's put a pentragram on our album!" bullshit that goes on. it's actually pretty amazing just how much thought he puts into it. especially considering so few people bother to even notice any of it. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.  
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Rank: The Illuminist

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Ok, a better example would have been Rob Zombie.
And on another tangent we go!
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Ok, Whut i see what you are saying and the only reason i brought the band into this is because someone had told me to get rid of my Avatar in the middle of this entire thing, thats all. And i don't base my opinions off a punk band, its just again, the avatar. And as for the religion aspect i said "fuck religion" and "Fuck Christ" which tends to be more to piss people off, in some situatuions i have even told people to spit on a bilbe and hail satan, again to piss them off. I am a complete athiest, end of story I do not believe in a God. Any way im not saying that people should be excused from all immorality, i am saying that at certain points in history there have been times were an overwhelming presure has cause people to take the negative path and in many cases they had no choice. I mean if you steal to survive, then I feel its moral, but if you steal a PS3 for fun then its immoral, thats all. I think the circumstances surrounding the incident matter just as much as what was commited. And also, i don't mean to bring economical backround into this one, but when your block is so fucked, and there isn't much more to do then attend a concert down the street then you tend to adopt the views of your new role models. And ity just so happens cheap sex, INDK (Clean up the streets movement, not crack rock steady kinda guys but still crust), Choking victim ,and the leftover crack were pretty active at this time. Even now, i still feel the same way even tho the suburbs house me.
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Rank: Coathanger Abortion

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Crass wrote: And as for the religion aspect i said "fuck religion" and "Fuck Christ" which tends to be more to piss people off, in some situatuions i have even told people to spit on a bilbe and hail satan, again to piss them off. I am a complete athiest, end of story I do not believe in a God.
Here is another tangent, and it's one that will probably offend some and might even make Crass not hate me so much for calling him on his Nazi-sympathizing: In college I got a bunch of drunk kids at a party to role the fattest joint ever from the last page of the bible. We smoked Revelations! Now that we're REALLY off-topic. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.  
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Rank: The Illuminist

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Interesting...
While I'm not a practicing anything and remain private in my own religious beliefs, I have a problem desecrating any form of religious reading material.
I just get a bad feeling about it.... a "what if I'm wrong" kinda thing. 
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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Umm.. no, I hate you even more. How can you go from calling me a Nazi-sympathizer to agreeing with me and telling me how you smoked a page of the Bible? Wow, you are quite the athiest! Want a cookie? Geeze, keep to yourself
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