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endyss
#16 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:05:31 PM
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WDF? wrote:
Should be fixed now. Let me know if I missed anything.

Just out of curiosity, what did you fix specifically?



HolyJaw wrote:
In the end, everything Endyss said.


WDF?
#17 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:10:06 PM
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kill assists and engie points

youngrippark
#18 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:14:20 PM
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WDF? wrote:
kill assists and engie points


what about headshot points.
i need those 5 pts just to even keep a positive rank score.


Bike
#19 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:27:34 PM
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It's sad that points are this big of a deal on the servers.  Play to have fun; play to complete objectives.  Don't play for points.   Points are meant to supplement the original gameplay experience, not encourage people to do things differently.

I've seen people admit to me that are both forum regulars and server regulars that they play to stat whore.  This isn't the way to encourage others to game on the servers.  If points are this big of a deal that it causes people to change classes to rack-up stats, or to refuse to play at all, then you are not playing for the sake of completing game objectives.

{pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name
Jessica343: so I can get heals
{pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea
{pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl)
Jessica343: hahah
MakeSureItsCharcoalGrilled
#20 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:32:26 PM
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a wise man once said: server stats are just a form of masturbation.

i can't believe some people get this worked up over stats.

well i've one thing to say:

fuck off, will ye?
yeah, i'm a cranky 'oul fucker. deal with it.
WDF?
#21 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:37:45 PM
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I don't expect people on my admin team to be this ridiculous about these points.

If it weren't for the crowds we draw with them they'd be long gone. Headshot points are still at 5. I don't know what you're on.


In response to this absurd thread, I'd like to point you all to http://crypt.hlstatsx.co...assist_medic&game=tf

No wonder he's mad

WDF?
#22 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:43:22 PM
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May I also add that this is becoming a trend from Endyss.

http://www.wdfnews.com/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=6324
http://www.wdfnews.com/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=6259
http://www.wdfnews.com/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=6192

In less than a month this thread makes the fourth complaint about the stats system . All of these threads have something in common: Endyss is losing too many points.

The stat system isn't about individuals. It's about everyone. Anytime something is changed, whether I change it intentionally or it is changed on accident, you come in here and start a debate over how lame it is. Then when accused of being too worried about your own stats you hide behind some "I'm commenting because I think it will be better for all" crap.

You have 60,073 points. That's insanity. That's more than twice the points of most of the people in the top 50 and yet you still manage to complain. Yeah, I am trying to come up with ways to help others rise to the top. I don't give two shits if you fall from #1. I'd prefer it, honestly. Once I come up with a formula to make it so stat padding with medic, which is what you're doing and you fucking know it, is not as rampant.


Business
#23 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:09:58 PM
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MakeSureItsCharcoalGrilled wrote:
a wise man once said: server stats are just a form of masturbation.


<---me


As far as the dude stat whoring and bitching...Just make his rank hidden on the stats page until he cools off  :-)
You wanna take this to Fuck Town?
Oh gadzooks, yes!
WDF?
#24 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:17:29 PM
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This issue is resolved.

endyss
#25 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:18:51 PM
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You're damn right I'm "stat padding" as a medic. That's the system you guys wanted. The funny thing is, I was on the opposite side in one of those "complaint" threads you mentioned, saying that it was a problem and urging it to be fixed. Rather than fix the system to be fairer for all classes, everyone shot me down, saying I was just trying to better myself, that I should play a medic myself if I care so much. I have, almost as much to demonstrate what I was telling you in that thread as to improve my score. And lo and behold, it is as you said, "insanity."

I make the suggestions I do because I want a fair system, that encourages people to play as a team and makes the point system a passive complement to people that play well and often. Am I frustrated with losing points, sure. But I'm certainly not the only one. I've heard plenty of people in game and on the forums (including the OP of this thread) talk about how they don't want to play certain classes, or prefer others, just because of how many points they stand to lose. It's not just me! What I want is for people to want to play as a team above all else, to become regulars on the server because they enjoy it and like the friendly competition. As I see it currently, the more regular people are, the higher they will be, and the more likely they'll be to begin playing differently based on the points they stand to earn (unless they don't care at all, in which case they shouldn't even be reading this).

I had hoped my points were well reasoned and taken as constructive attempts to make the system fairer, not rig it for myself. If you want to make this personal, then by all means you won't hear another peep out of me. But for the record, I think the changes that are needed are:

  • Reducing the penalty for dying (while still giving the lower ranked Killer full points) until players aren't encouraged to play more conservatively. This might ultimately be NO death penalty, but either way it shouldn't sting so badly they regret playing that class.
  • Reducing the bonuses to medic assist, kill assist, headshot, engineer buildings, and anything else that would allow one class an unfair advantage in the points.

That's not a complaint, it's a suggestion. If someone can tell me how leveling the playing field like that is just me trying to be self-serving, then by all means, tell me why.



HolyJaw wrote:
In the end, everything Endyss said.


hax.sam.hall
#26 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:22:43 PM
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points=time played, not skill and its a means of attracting return players under the guise of giving the sensation of actually "accomplishing" something

MakeSureItsCharcoalGrilled wrote:

yes. please go fuck yoruself and die.


MakeSureItsCharcoalGrilled wrote:


it's ok. all computer components have clearly dotted lines along which you can cut* to make smaller.

WDF?
#27 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:48:24 PM
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hlstats is becoming a nightmare.

youngrippark
#28 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:59:51 PM
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orgy, anyone?


Qazster
#29 Posted: : Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:20:30 PM
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youngrippark wrote:
orgy, anyone?


Wtf, we are talking about hlx stats and you say "orgy"? lol wtf is up with that?

MakeSureItsCharcoalGrilled
#30 Posted: : Sunday, December 02, 2007 1:49:02 AM
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Business wrote:
MakeSureItsCharcoalGrilled wrote:
a wise man once said: server stats are just a form of masturbation.


<---me


actually it was IamDonSharp and it was before you even started playing the servers.
yeah, i'm a cranky 'oul fucker. deal with it.
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