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Ron Paul's brand of libertarianism has long since been purged from the GOP, anyone who thinks the Republicans give a shit about civil liberties or the Constitution is either a total fucking idiot or suffers from mental retardation. If Ron Paul really gave a shit about what he says he would denounce his party and run as an independent (or fight Barr and Gravel for the Libertarian endorsement, which would honestly not be much of a fight and would make ballot access a bit easier). The GOP leadership runs a tight ship and his little faux mutiny has done nothing to challenge them, I don't think he has even risen to the level of being annoying. For all the money he has raised and the massive organization he has built he's put on a really pathetic campaign. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.  
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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:Ron Paul's brand of libertarianism has long since been purged from the GOP, anyone who thinks the Republicans give a shit about civil liberties or the Constitution is either a total fucking idiot or suffers from mental retardation.
If Ron Paul really gave a shit about what he says he would denounce his party and run as an independent (or fight Barr and Gravel for the Libertarian endorsement, which would honestly not be much of a fight and would make ballot access a bit easier). The GOP leadership runs a tight ship and his little faux mutiny has done nothing to challenge them, I don't think he has even risen to the level of being annoying. For all the money he has raised and the massive organization he has built he's put on a really pathetic campaign. Hey Dick your thinking is almost as flawed as the name your handle represents. Parties are flawed. Parties themselves are part of what has let the system become so poisoned. Ron Paul does not run on the Republican ticket because he favors the Republican platform but because he knows that all third party platforms are crippled and start at a severe disadvantage. To Ron Paul principles mean everything and parties mean nothing but are simply the necessary means on which one must seek a platform. Had Ron Run on any other ticket there's no way in hell he would have made the progress he has. This is exactly why EVERY ONE of the other Republicans wanted him off the republican ticket to begin with. Give Ron Paul credit. He is a schrewd man doing everything within his power to fix what we've broken yet he will not break his own personal principles in order to achieve that goal. Revolutions take time. Anyway even if Pauls movement doesn't get anywhere we probably deserve everything that comes upon us. That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago.
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HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. God forbid we ever change the rules like they would have wanted us to. 
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Lead Salad wrote:There are no "party values" that are set in stone. The only "values" the party has are those shared by the majority of its members. All of Lead Salad's arguments posted after the post quoted here are now declared invalid and moot. He gets to shut the fuck up now for contradicting himself. What's that? There are no party values, just those values shared by the party? Really? Lead Salad wrote: As times change, so do the "values", that's how democracy works. Sweet, you have a brain. Learn to use it, and not just pick fights with everyone for the sake of picking fights. silverwasp wrote:Be careful what you wish for... I have 10 younger siblings and I am only 20....
Yes.... Same parents WarMachine wrote:meh...maybe if he hadn't been handed a burning house he could have done great things, but right now he has won the Prize for what? Damage Control?
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HolyJaw wrote:Lead Salad wrote:There are no "party values" that are set in stone. The only "values" the party has are those shared by the majority of its members. All of Lead Salad's arguments posted after the post quoted here are now declared invalid and moot. He gets to shut the fuck up now for contradicting himself. What's that? There are no party values, just those values shared by the party? Really? Lead Salad wrote: As times change, so do the "values", that's how democracy works. Sweet, you have a brain. Learn to use it, and not just pick fights with everyone for the sake of picking fights. Dude, fuck off. The thread was perfectly fine until you decided to come along and troll me. Not that you're right or you understood my argument.. If you're really that intent on fucking with me, PM me, IM me, email me. Don't just come into a normal thread and start tossing around insults.
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 Which is to the political forum, as this has gone way off OT. ACTIVATE MODERATION!
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Lead Salad wrote:HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. God forbid we ever change the rules like they would have wanted us to. Then you amend the constitution. That is allowed. The trouble with our government is that rather than amending the constitution they ignore it. Even to the point that our own attorney general does not acknowledge habeas corpus.
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HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. Simple rules like "three fifths of all other Persons"
Ron Paul is like a fly on the elephant's ass, he will be swatted aside and the party will march on. This idea that he is using the party is silly, he has no hope of changing the party. It's just a brand next to his name that let him get into a few debates. When the real election comes it's not going to get him anywhere, except fighting to keep his seat in congress as soon as the GOP has any spare change to spend trying to primary him out of it. His only hope is to run third party, but he's a GOP loyalist despite his rhetoric and will never do that. So the primaries will end and he'll be back where he started and his supposed revolution will fade into obscurity and only political scientists will remember it. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.
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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. Simple rules like "three fifths of all other Persons"
Ron Paul is like a fly on the elephant's ass, he will be swatted aside and the party will march on. This idea that he is using the party is silly, he has no hope of changing the party. It's just a brand next to his name that let him get into a few debates. When the real election comes it's not going to get him anywhere, except fighting to keep his seat in congress as soon as the GOP has any spare change to spend trying to primary him out of it. His only hope is to run third party, but he's a GOP loyalist despite his rhetoric and will never do that. So the primaries will end and he'll be back where he started and his supposed revolution will fade into obscurity and only political scientists will remember it. You're a hardcore cynic(which is by no means abnormal in America today). Will you do anything with all that anger or will you limit it too complaining in text?
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"LIBERTARIANS ARE REPUBLICANS WHO WANT TO SMOKE DOPE AND GET LAID" Tom Hartman "I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smells like ... victory"
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Lead Salad wrote:HolyJaw wrote:Lead Salad wrote:There are no "party values" that are set in stone. The only "values" the party has are those shared by the majority of its members. All of Lead Salad's arguments posted after the post quoted here are now declared invalid and moot. He gets to shut the fuck up now for contradicting himself. What's that? There are no party values, just those values shared by the party? Really? Lead Salad wrote: As times change, so do the "values", that's how democracy works. Sweet, you have a brain. Learn to use it, and not just pick fights with everyone for the sake of picking fights. Dude, fuck off. The thread was perfectly fine until you decided to come along and troll me. Not that you're right or you understood my argument.. If you're really that intent on fucking with me, PM me, IM me, email me. Don't just come into a normal thread and start tossing around insults.
I like how everyone that gets sick of the bullshit you post is a "troll." That's what you called me as well, correct? LEARN THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A FORUM TROLL IS, DOUCHEBAG. You are the troll, we just stupidly reply, thereby feeding you.
Why don't you crawl back under whatever obese no tooth one legged transvestite prostitute you did when you left us the first time (hint, hint).
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HeXploiT wrote:Lead Salad wrote:HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. God forbid we ever change the rules like they would have wanted us to. Then you amend the constitution. That is allowed. The trouble with our government is that rather than amending the constitution they ignore it. Even to the point that our own attorney general does not acknowledge habeas corpus. That's the rub. Ron Paul's "revolutionary" ideals don't actually involve a lot of amending to the constitution.
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HeXploiT wrote:Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. Simple rules like "three fifths of all other Persons"
Ron Paul is like a fly on the elephant's ass, he will be swatted aside and the party will march on. This idea that he is using the party is silly, he has no hope of changing the party. It's just a brand next to his name that let him get into a few debates. When the real election comes it's not going to get him anywhere, except fighting to keep his seat in congress as soon as the GOP has any spare change to spend trying to primary him out of it. His only hope is to run third party, but he's a GOP loyalist despite his rhetoric and will never do that. So the primaries will end and he'll be back where he started and his supposed revolution will fade into obscurity and only political scientists will remember it. You're a hardcore cynic(which is by no means abnormal in America today). Will you do anything with all that anger or will you limit it too complaining in text? I used to do shit until I realized it was basically pointless, I'll take a quiet life. If the revolution ever comes though I'll be at the barricades, in the meantime I'd rather be having fun and not worrying if my phone is tapped. Honestly though, I think what's wrong with human civilization is humans. Until we have the technology to overcome ourselves we're going to be perpetually fucked. Maybe that's just a convenient self-delusion to avoid getting pepper sprayed, but it keeps me from existential despair. So I vote in every election, I try to convince people I know to vote the way I do, I give money occasionally to causes and candidates, and I try to keep my head down and my eyes open. Razor wrote:Killing people is good therapy.
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Lead Salad wrote:HeXploiT wrote:Lead Salad wrote:HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. God forbid we ever change the rules like they would have wanted us to. Then you amend the constitution. That is allowed. The trouble with our government is that rather than amending the constitution they ignore it. Even to the point that our own attorney general does not acknowledge habeas corpus. That's the rub. Ron Paul's "revolutionary" ideals don't actually involve a lot of amending to the constitution. Ron Paul has specifically stated on many occasions exactly what I just said. That if they(the government) disagrees with the constitution that they should amend it. Not that he would vote to allow the amendment.
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Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:HeXploiT wrote:Dick Cheney's Mechanical Heart wrote:HeXploiT wrote:That's what we get for being complacent and not following the simple rules that brilliant men put on paper for us 250+ years ago. Simple rules like "three fifths of all other Persons"
Ron Paul is like a fly on the elephant's ass, he will be swatted aside and the party will march on. This idea that he is using the party is silly, he has no hope of changing the party. It's just a brand next to his name that let him get into a few debates. When the real election comes it's not going to get him anywhere, except fighting to keep his seat in congress as soon as the GOP has any spare change to spend trying to primary him out of it. His only hope is to run third party, but he's a GOP loyalist despite his rhetoric and will never do that. So the primaries will end and he'll be back where he started and his supposed revolution will fade into obscurity and only political scientists will remember it. You're a hardcore cynic(which is by no means abnormal in America today). Will you do anything with all that anger or will you limit it too complaining in text? I used to do shit until I realized it was basically pointless, I'll take a quiet life. If the revolution ever comes though I'll be at the barricades, in the meantime I'd rather be having fun and not worrying if my phone is tapped. Honestly though, I think what's wrong with human civilization is humans. Until we have the technology to overcome ourselves we're going to be perpetually fucked. Maybe that's just a convenient self-delusion to avoid getting pepper sprayed, but it keeps me from existential despair. So I vote in every election, I try to convince people I know to vote the way I do, I give money occasionally to causes and candidates, and I try to keep my head down and my eyes open. Yeah, I'm just waiting until we all have cyberbrains then we can just let an AI control the government, like the one ending in Deus Ex.
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