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#31 Posted: : Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:02:46 PM
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#32 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:41:35 AM
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Business wrote:
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We get like 10% of our oil from the middle east..


EIA Stats

Crude Oil Imports into the USA
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Lots of facts about Oil
http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html

Now if you believe the EIA stats, we import 10,031,000 Barrels of crude every day. Saudia Arabia alone makes up nearly 15% of that figure, so your number is off a bit.


Considering Saudi Arabia is an opec nation... I look at it in a different light then other importers. And also.. look at how low the numbers from Iraq are..

FREE TONY!


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#33 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:19:01 AM
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BadHorsie wrote:

Palin is scary. More of the same. Supports oil companies and drilling and other bad stuff.

The part that hurts McCain the most, is he cannot use the argument Obama isn't experienced enough to be President. Heck, none of them are since neither of them have been President. But Palin was only Governor for 2 years, so he cannot say Obama isn't experienced enough. Especially when it comes up to her stepping in if/when McCain dies in office.

 



What's bad about drilling for oil?
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#34 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:23:58 AM
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FYI, it's the kind of crude humor and echo chamber hatred for "the other side" exemplified by this thread that results in the shocker Democrats have seemed to encounter every four years or so, called the "silent majority."

((EDIT: and before you call me a hypocrite, there's a huge difference between an inoffensive parody that pokes fun at policy choices and, ahem, "that woman looks like she could suck the peel off an orange."))


Maybe I'm just tired of hearing the same "no war for oil" "bush lied people died", election stealing halliburton 9/11 conspiracy no-bid theorist bullshit from otherwise reasonable people.  Maybe I've just moved too far to the center to understand the blind hatred for the other side.  Maybe I just need to learn to stop trying to reason with it.

Any parody can be taken offensively. I'm voting for Obama because he has half a brain when it comes to the energy policy, as opposed to McCain, who acts like ethanol is a new invention, and furthermore the most viable solution for independence from foreign oil. And even when it comes to ethanol, he's never even heard of a little plant called switchgrass, thinking he's going to build an ethanol empire from corn and sugarcane.

Wind and solar power can fuel a future of electric cars, which are on average 10 times more efficient than combustion vehicles anyway. And Obama promises 5 million jobs as a byproduct of his plans to fix the energy crisis, which is always cool.

My comment about sucking things is more about the manner in which Palin has been suddenly dragged into this campaign. Sure, she does look like a whore in some of her photos, but she is also whoring herself out to McCain. She doesn't have the experience or the brains that most people would like, but she's young and cute, and McCain feels that's all she needs to be.


So where is Obama gonna get all this money from? :)
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#35 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:43:10 AM
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RichardAwesome wrote:
BadHorsie wrote:

Palin is scary. More of the same. Supports oil companies and drilling and other bad stuff.

The part that hurts McCain the most, is he cannot use the argument Obama isn't experienced enough to be President. Heck, none of them are since neither of them have been President. But Palin was only Governor for 2 years, so he cannot say Obama isn't experienced enough. Especially when it comes up to her stepping in if/when McCain dies in office.



What's bad about drilling for oil?

Gee, not sure where to begin.

I guess for starters, since she wants to drill in Alaska where there are polar bear preservations, and since they are an endangered species, and not growing in population as much as she would like to think (global warming melting polar ice caps so bears drown, etc.) it would kill more of them.

Offshore drilling is, well, i hope i dont have to explain the mess that would be, i mean with spilling oil and what that does to the oceans. But also consider a good portion of the ocean, especially along the shores, are dying or dead. Some from oil spill and drilling in the past, and some new cases. Like near Louisiana and other places that have flooded. We've used fertilizer on land, which when flooded, leaked into the ocean. The fertilizer causes algae to grow super fast, and then the faster sea life move to deeper waters (like shrimp) but the slower life forms suffocate. So to add oil spills and the machinery to drill, plus the tampering of the ocean floor, which displaces sea life, and... well you get the idea.

And on and on and on. It's just bad.

There are plenty of sources you can read about if you wish to investigate further. 

 

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#36 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:40:50 AM
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RichardAwesome wrote:


So where is Obama gonna get all this money from? :)


The obvious answer.......but not the one which he is going to use.....

From the military......
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BadHorsie
#37 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:46:16 AM
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GreyWolf wrote:
RichardAwesome wrote:


So where is Obama gonna get all this money from? :)


The obvious answer.......but not the one which he is going to use.....

From the military......

Actually, private funding is a huge contributor. If you go to his website, or sign up for e-mail, you too can be bombarded with requests for donations.

I haven't seen any military funding...

I don't see why that would happen. Haliburton doesn't like to share.

 

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#38 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:48:55 AM
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BadHorsie wrote:

Actually, private funding is a huge contributor. If you go to his website, or sign up for e-mail, you too can be bombarded with requests for donations.

I haven't seen any military funding...

I don't see why that would happen. Haliburton doesn't like to share.

 



I didn't say thats where he would get it....I said its where he SHOULD get it.
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BadHorsie
#39 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:03:25 AM
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GreyWolf wrote:
RichardAwesome wrote:


So where is Obama gonna get all this money from? :)


The obvious answer.......but not the one which he is going to use.....

From the military......

Err okay. I must have misread something. Sorry.

Richard asked where Obama is going to get all his money, and you wrote from the military. I took it as meaning that's where he gets it from. I didn't see a 'should' there and didn't think it was implied. But then it's 8 AM and I haven't slept as I found out two friends died in a car accident with a light post and their dog is in the doggie hospital as well as some unknown female friend that was riding in the back seat that is in serious condition at the people hospital. I'm hungry. I think I'll go to Taco Bleh. Well... bye.

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#40 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:06:21 AM
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BadHorsie wrote:

Richard asked where Obama is going to get all his money, and you wrote from the military. I took it as meaning that's where he gets it from. I didn't see a 'should' there and didn't think it was implied. But then it's 8 AM and I haven't slept as I found out two friends died in a car accident with a light post and their dog is in the doggie hospital as well as some unknown female friend that was riding in the back seat that is in serious condition at the people hospital. I'm hungry. I think I'll go to Taco Bleh. Well... bye.



me wrote:

The obvious answer....................but not the one which he is going to use.....



From the military......
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BadHorsie
#41 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:15:37 AM
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GreyWolf wrote:
The obvious answer....................but not the one which he is going to use.....



From the military......

Oh, I see now! Totally my fault. I forgot in some sectors of Hyclon in the ancient dialect of Klaa, "but not the one which he is going to use" means "should".  Such as when you want to have sex with your girlfriend, you would say "we but not the one which he is going to use have sex tonight". Makes perfect sense. lol

Just kidding!

But you are right about McCain not being a good candidate. He's bad news indeed.

Have a nice day!

 

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#42 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:57:45 AM
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BadHorsie wrote:
RichardAwesome wrote:
BadHorsie wrote:

Palin is scary. More of the same. Supports oil companies and drilling and other bad stuff.

The part that hurts McCain the most, is he cannot use the argument Obama isn't experienced enough to be President. Heck, none of them are since neither of them have been President. But Palin was only Governor for 2 years, so he cannot say Obama isn't experienced enough. Especially when it comes up to her stepping in if/when McCain dies in office.



What's bad about drilling for oil?

Gee, not sure where to begin.

I guess for starters, since she wants to drill in Alaska where there are polar bear preservations, and since they are an endangered species, and not growing in population as much as she would like to think (global warming melting polar ice caps so bears drown, etc.) it would kill more of them.

Offshore drilling is, well, i hope i dont have to explain the mess that would be, i mean with spilling oil and what that does to the oceans. But also consider a good portion of the ocean, especially along the shores, are dying or dead. Some from oil spill and drilling in the past, and some new cases. Like near Louisiana and other places that have flooded. We've used fertilizer on land, which when flooded, leaked into the ocean. The fertilizer causes algae to grow super fast, and then the faster sea life move to deeper waters (like shrimp) but the slower life forms suffocate. So to add oil spills and the machinery to drill, plus the tampering of the ocean floor, which displaces sea life, and... well you get the idea.

And on and on and on. It's just bad.

There are plenty of sources you can read about if you wish to investigate further. 

 



Drilling is bad.. but I bet these facts don't keep you from getting pissed at the pumps..

FREE TONY!


Rofl I win!
BadHorsie
#43 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:03:43 PM
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Crass wrote:
BadHorsie wrote:
RichardAwesome wrote:
BadHorsie wrote:

Palin is scary. More of the same. Supports oil companies and drilling and other bad stuff.

The part that hurts McCain the most, is he cannot use the argument Obama isn't experienced enough to be President. Heck, none of them are since neither of them have been President. But Palin was only Governor for 2 years, so he cannot say Obama isn't experienced enough. Especially when it comes up to her stepping in if/when McCain dies in office.



What's bad about drilling for oil?

Gee, not sure where to begin.

I guess for starters, since she wants to drill in Alaska where there are polar bear preservations, and since they are an endangered species, and not growing in population as much as she would like to think (global warming melting polar ice caps so bears drown, etc.) it would kill more of them.

Offshore drilling is, well, i hope i dont have to explain the mess that would be, i mean with spilling oil and what that does to the oceans. But also consider a good portion of the ocean, especially along the shores, are dying or dead. Some from oil spill and drilling in the past, and some new cases. Like near Louisiana and other places that have flooded. We've used fertilizer on land, which when flooded, leaked into the ocean. The fertilizer causes algae to grow super fast, and then the faster sea life move to deeper waters (like shrimp) but the slower life forms suffocate. So to add oil spills and the machinery to drill, plus the tampering of the ocean floor, which displaces sea life, and... well you get the idea.

And on and on and on. It's just bad.

There are plenty of sources you can read about if you wish to investigate further. 

 



Drilling is bad.. but I bet these facts don't keep you from getting pissed at the pumps..

I sigh a lot. I feel depressed a lot. I am reminded why I didn't go to the beach or somewhere this summer. I am reminded why we cannot let McCain win. Pissed? Yeah. But not enough to drill for it where we should not be drilling.

 

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#44 Posted: : Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:29:14 PM
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RichardAwesome wrote:
MarioMario wrote:
endyss wrote:
FYI, it's the kind of crude humor and echo chamber hatred for "the other side" exemplified by this thread that results in the shocker Democrats have seemed to encounter every four years or so, called the "silent majority."

((EDIT: and before you call me a hypocrite, there's a huge difference between an inoffensive parody that pokes fun at policy choices and, ahem, "that woman looks like she could suck the peel off an orange."))


Maybe I'm just tired of hearing the same "no war for oil" "bush lied people died", election stealing halliburton 9/11 conspiracy no-bid theorist bullshit from otherwise reasonable people.  Maybe I've just moved too far to the center to understand the blind hatred for the other side.  Maybe I just need to learn to stop trying to reason with it.

Any parody can be taken offensively. I'm voting for Obama because he has half a brain when it comes to the energy policy, as opposed to McCain, who acts like ethanol is a new invention, and furthermore the most viable solution for independence from foreign oil. And even when it comes to ethanol, he's never even heard of a little plant called switchgrass, thinking he's going to build an ethanol empire from corn and sugarcane.

Wind and solar power can fuel a future of electric cars, which are on average 10 times more efficient than combustion vehicles anyway. And Obama promises 5 million jobs as a byproduct of his plans to fix the energy crisis, which is always cool.

My comment about sucking things is more about the manner in which Palin has been suddenly dragged into this campaign. Sure, she does look like a whore in some of her photos, but she is also whoring herself out to McCain. She doesn't have the experience or the brains that most people would like, but she's young and cute, and McCain feels that's all she needs to be.


So where is Obama gonna get all this money from? :)

Obama isn't paying for it out of his own pocket. The alternative energy employees will be paid through government subsidizing.
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