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alowishus wrote:
{pDs} camelspit wrote:Not to mention if you want to make the test fair you have to be able to appeal to what they've learned. If they can't add 4+4 but can recite you the First Ammendment by heart what fucking good does that do? And fine, change it to whatever grammar applies to their language. My point is we shouldn't expect them to be patriotic, but we should at least hold some kind of useful standard. And let's not forget the USA is NEAR THE BOTTOM IN EDUCATION across the globe. So yes, have them take the test I took in high school, and chances are they'll score better. You tell me which would you rather have, someone who can understand complicated calculus and bio chemistry, who might potentially do something worthwhile, or have someone who can count to 13 and tell you about the freedom of speech. *rolls eyes* So let's be real here and actually test them for something that could be worthwhile.
And I'm sorry but you have it much much much easier.
First off, I never said I didn't have it easier. Second, you are telling me you want someone to take the SAT to become a citizen. Great. What about the people with a low, or even complete lack of education? I was saying this test is easy for everybody with a little studying. It isn't like they come over and say, "hmm, I think I will take the test today." They have a time frame before they can take it. So in this period of time, "the wait", if they can't learn a few dates, a little history about where they are going to live, and some basic knowledge of the United States then why even try?
On top of that... What about the older generations? They would like to become citizens. (hypothetical situation here). They have all the requirements they need to become a citizen aside from the test.
Test 1(Test that is now in place): Ok, all I have to do is study a little, take a test, and complete my citizenship.
Test 2(New test): I have to learn geometry and basic english grammar before I can become a citizen.
Its time for the *rolls eyes* and lets get real part. SAT over a 20 question multiple choice exam. If a person can't pass that, what makes you think they can pass yours?
And I don't think attacking the US for having stupid people in it is helping your arguement.
You do know that in order to become a citizen you must have been a resident for at least 10 years right? Wouldn't it be safe to assume that during those 10 years sufficient education would have been given in order to be able to pass a high school test? My parents recently got their citizenship at age 43. They both moved here at 17. I really think a test on our civil history is unnecessary. Granted my dad had already been hired at Microsoft after working for Cap Gemini before he even took the test. So my point is, not everyone who immigrates is going to immediatly take the test. But we have different viewpoints on it and neither one of us is going to convince the other. I suggest we call it a truce before it gets ugly.  SirCrapsalot: i just got turned down by my e boyfriend SirCrapsalot: oh fuck wrong box 3 rabbits are on a log. One of them goes home and hangs himself........Buy a bike!
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Twitchy wrote:Achilleus wrote:
1 Wrong = 95% = Awesome to the Max
Twitchy, how did you get a 98%? There are 20 questions, so each question is worth 5 points. Did you manage to get partial credit on a multiple choice test?
I didn't. I just wanted to be better than you guys. I didn't even take the test. This time I did it I got 115%
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{pDs} camelspit wrote:
You do know that in order to become a citizen you must have been a resident for at least 10 years right? Wouldn't it be safe to assume that during those 10 years sufficient education would have been given in order to be able to pass a high school test? My parents recently got their citizenship at age 43. They both moved here at 17. I really think a test on our civil history is unnecessary. Granted my dad had already been hired at Microsoft after working for Cap Gemini before he even took the test. So my point is, not everyone who immigrates is going to immediatly take the test. But we have different viewpoints on it and neither one of us is going to convince the other. I suggest we call it a truce before it gets ugly.
Yes, I know they need to be a resident to become a citizen, hence the "They have a time frame before they can take it. So in this period of time, "the wait", if they can't learn a few dates, a little history about where they are going to live, and some basic knowledge of the United States then why even try?"
There is no reason for it to get ugly, we are both adults stating how we feel. I have no hard feelings towards you.
All I am saying is I feel people should want to know something about where they are going to be citizens of, and this is just one way of letting people do it. (In a very small nutshell of coarse).
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alowishus wrote:
{pDs} camelspit wrote:
You do know that in order to become a citizen you must have been a resident for at least 10 years right? Wouldn't it be safe to assume that during those 10 years sufficient education would have been given in order to be able to pass a high school test? My parents recently got their citizenship at age 43. They both moved here at 17. I really think a test on our civil history is unnecessary. Granted my dad had already been hired at Microsoft after working for Cap Gemini before he even took the test. So my point is, not everyone who immigrates is going to immediatly take the test. But we have different viewpoints on it and neither one of us is going to convince the other. I suggest we call it a truce before it gets ugly.
Yes, I know they need to be a resident to become a citizen, hence the "They have a time frame before they can take it. So in this period of time, "the wait", if they can't learn a few dates, a little history about where they are going to live, and some basic knowledge of the United States then why even try?"
There is no reason for it to get ugly, we are both adults stating how we feel. I have no hard feelings towards you.
All I am saying is I feel people should want to know something about where they are going to be citizens of, and this is just one way of letting people do it. (In a very small nutshell of coarse).
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Well, I'm glad we can discuss this like adults. I've had discussions like this in the past and it never ended well. The thing about it is they can learn most of that on a tour of The White House. Seems just a little inconclusive as a test for me to prove your worth to be a citizen. Also, as you've probably noticed the trend, the people who've lived here longer than the time period for citizenship can't really do very well with their dates and passages of the Bill of Rights. *Shrug* don't you think it seems a little far fetched that they should be expected to do better on that test than citizens? *shrug* It really does seem dubious to me. BTW I have no doubt our legal immigrants want to know about our country, but they probably concern themselves more with how it works nowadays than when the Constitution was signed. And I'm inclined to agree. Edit: I will concede that being well versed on your RIGHTS as a citizen is something that is of importance. But I've never found the history of the US to be very valuable. Or as interesting as other countries. SirCrapsalot: i just got turned down by my e boyfriend SirCrapsalot: oh fuck wrong box 3 rabbits are on a log. One of them goes home and hangs himself........Buy a bike!
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Well other counties have there own thing that you have to do, to go visit or move there. I really don't see what the problem is with people have to taking a test to get in i have a friend from Germany that moved here and the whole family pasted the test thats 6 people that passed it.and they have been here for like 5 years i think. What I'm trying to say if people stop complaining that the test is to hard and just study for it they could pass it. If people cant pass the test then they dont need to be here. If i wanted to move somewhere else like lets say Germany i would learn german and do whatever else gremany wanted me to do. The people that really want to be in the us will study and pass the test, the epople that want the easy way in complian about it. WDF?: I found a hot girl WDF?: Who lets me WDF?: Drink WDF?: Smoke WDF?: And play video games WDF?: ALL DAY shignog: and in the back door? WDF?: She's back door compatible WDF?: And it comes enabled by default WDF?: I need to teach sirus a lesson WDF?: Oh wait WDF?: That's called gay shignog: if there is a girl there its bi WDF?: lol WDF?: ok shignog: so its not so gay WDF?: Good enough
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80% i failed MY SIGNATURE IS BIG AND GREEN.
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