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Rank: The Illuminist

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This is a tough subject for me. Personally I'm all for the freedom to say whatever you want, regardless of how much it offends people who don't want to hear it... however, if it affects the overall feeling in-game and disrupts the game and sours the mood I get a little irritated. So, what do you think?
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Rank: Fecal Impaction For the Win!

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I think the general rule of thumb should just be, if someone says something that pisses off other plays and begins a fight, then it needs to stop. This could be necessarily anything. However, if they say offensive things and no one cares or gets offended, then I don't see a problem either.
{pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name Jessica343: so I can get heals {pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea {pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl) Jessica343: hahah
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Rank: Medium-Well

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common sense like Peace says... if some people complain about it then i think admins should take action, or if it's excessive abuse targeted at one person, not just a little slip in frustration... yeah, i'm a cranky 'oul fucker. deal with it.
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Rank: Administration

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I think the policy should be stated, in the MotD at the very least, as a failsafe with no real consequences. If someone refuses to play on the server because there is a message at the beginning that says "No racism or gay bashing," is that really someone we want playing on the server in the first place?
It also provides something to point to in case problems do arise. I agree with Peace's point, and even if there is a stated rule, no one is going to kick someone because they make an off-color remark, technically in violation, but no one thinks twice about it. If someone complains that it's against the rules and should be kicked, then that means the violation was significant enough to warrant attention.
In essence, no one is going to kick PlayerX because he dies in a knife fight and says "Geez, that was gay" because well, them's the rules and so we have to kick you. But if someone starts screaming n****r in the the voice chat and an admin kicks them, the MotD and rules can always be used to say "See, we have this policy, you took it too far, so you're gone."
But if the proposed rule change means deputizing the admins to constantly be on the look out for technical violations and enforcing them regardless of how the violation affected the game, then no, leave it be. HolyJaw wrote:In the end, everything Endyss said.
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Rank: Not Cool Enough for a Rank :(

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i agree with freedom of speech and say whatever you want, but.... our goal is to create a nice comfortable server for people to play on. to do that we need to prevent direct bashing and insults. like i said, i personally don't mind it because if people want to make an idiot of themselves by ripping on gay people because they personally aren't secure enough with themselves then so be it, i just don't listen to it, whatever. but some people really take it to heart and i think to create a good environment for all people to play on i think its something that we should minimize.
this really isn't something that you can only enforce at certain times and not others because you never know when those people who take offense to it are on the server. not everybody like to chat when they play, so you never know if it is affecting the population.
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Rank: Fuckstick

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Fuck those queermos I only come here for the fine ass cock. Not The Face wrote:nate burn in hell asswipe Lead Salad wrote:And he promises to beat up any suspicious negroes and their children as well. Sirus touched me in my private message.
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Rank: Administration

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i liked the rules on the egg scrambler, we stopped the no gay bashing rule, but we still wouldnt allow racial slurs, because as some of you remember, Thatamos had a problem with people bashing his religion. i still would like to see the no racial slurs rule in effect.  Cantrip wrote:When I die, I want to be reincarnated as a woman's jogging bra.
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Rank: You're gonna stick that where?

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Yes, we should bring em back. I'd like to think that as a community we are very diverse and tolerant. Why would we want to have some butthead on the server that disrupts the flow of the game and insults a bunch of people in the process. Furhtermore you have no idea how old some of the players are and it would be just decent to provide and environment that was free of that kind of negative influence. I have on occasion warned people on the servers about their language and most of the time they are cool. They apologize and clean up their act. I've never seen anyone leave because of that. Also while we are on the subject, I think we should also have a no porn spray policy. Once again there is the age of the players issue as well as people walking by and looking at the monitor while we play. Heck my kids sometimes watch when I play and I sure as hell wouldn't want some jerkoff spraying porn all over the place.
Overall the number and quality of regulars we will gain from having clean servers is far greater than the few idiots who like to spread hate. {pDs}BelligerentPimp wrote: No using the word "fucktard" unless you are refering to TonyRWC or Youngripark.j2. WDF? wrote:go fuck yourself hanukkah style.
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Rank: Medium-Well

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Dragon wrote:i liked the rules on the egg scrambler, we stopped the no gay bashing rule, but we still wouldnt allow racial slurs, because as some of you remember, Thatamos had a problem with people bashing his religion. i still would like to see the no racial slurs rule in effect. uhhh.... race != religion nub. yeah, i'm a cranky 'oul fucker. deal with it.
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Rank: Administration

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lol whoops, i think we included religion though, didnt we?  Cantrip wrote:When I die, I want to be reincarnated as a woman's jogging bra.
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Rank: Dutchess of Doodoo

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If it is detracting from the game, then it should be taken care of. You wanna take this to Fuck Town? Oh gadzooks, yes!
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Rank: You're gonna stick that where?

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MakeSureItsCharcoalGrilled wrote:common sense like Peace says... if some people complain about it then i think admins should take action, or if it's excessive abuse targeted at one person, not just a little slip in frustration... Yeah I agree.
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Rank: The Illuminist

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bitchmaker wrote:
Yes, we should bring em back. I'd like to think that as a community we are very diverse and tolerant. Why would we want to have some butthead on the server that disrupts the flow of the game and insults a bunch of people in the process. Furhtermore you have no idea how old some of the players are and it would be just decent to provide and environment that was free of that kind of negative influence. I have on occasion warned people on the servers about their language and most of the time they are cool. They apologize and clean up their act. I've never seen anyone leave because of that. Also while we are on the subject, I think we should also have a no porn spray policy. Once again there is the age of the players issue as well as people walking by and looking at the monitor while we play. Heck my kids sometimes watch when I play and I sure as hell wouldn't want some jerkoff spraying porn all over the place.
Overall the number and quality of regulars we will gain from having clean servers is far greater than the few idiots who like to spread hate.
I need to jump in here for the kids in game argument. This game is rated mature. Kids shouldn't be playing it. I know they do, but it comes with the territory.
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Rank: Administration

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RE: Kids in game
I completely agree. There's a reason all the boxes and commercials say "Content may change in online play" and if you can't realize that a M rated game with gore and killing and voice chat might result in some coarser than normal language, you shouldn't be a parent.
I have pretty damn thick skin, but there should be a minimum level of respect for other players. The anonymity of the Internet allows people to be a little more "loose in the tongue" than they would be face-to-face, but that shouldn't mean those that run a decent server have to tolerate it.
That being said, unless it's something truly offensive, a single comment shouldn't result in a kick. For me, it's a pattern of disturbance that warrants discouraging. HolyJaw wrote:In the end, everything Endyss said.
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Rank: Taco Technician

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endyss wrote:
I think the policy should be stated, in the MotD at the very least, as a failsafe with no real consequences. If someone refuses to play on the server because there is a message at the beginning that says "No racism or gay bashing," is that really someone we want playing on the server in the first place?
It also provides something to point to in case problems do arise. I agree with Peace's point, and even if there is a stated rule, no one is going to kick someone because they make an off-color remark, technically in violation, but no one thinks twice about it. If someone complains that it's against the rules and should be kicked, then that means the violation was significant enough to warrant attention.
In essence, no one is going to kick PlayerX because he dies in a knife fight and says "Geez, that was gay" because well, them's the rules and so we have to kick you. But if someone starts screaming n****r in the the voice chat and an admin kicks them, the MotD and rules can always be used to say "See, we have this policy, you took it too far, so you're gone."
But if the proposed rule change means deputizing the admins to constantly be on the look out for technical violations and enforcing them regardless of how the violation affected the game, then no, leave it be.
Is it just me, or do none of the tempests have text in the MotD? All I ever see is the penguin mascot. We really should tell people not to grief other players in the MotD, and if you (whut) ever decide on things like limiting the amount of engineers or camping or whatever other problems people run into, you should put that in the MotD. In my opinion, though, they should just be guidelines and shouldn't be reinforced with an iron fist, only when a certain threshold is crossed.
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